Unit Request- More Accurate Berserkir

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Has anyone else noticed that the PTW Berserk looks more like the Saxon Housecarl? From what I've seen, the Berserk wore a bearskin on his upper body and fought using two single-handed axes (not the Danish Bearded Axe used in PTW.) I was hoping someone could make a more accurate Berserk with the bearskin and twin axes (I have no skill at unit creation, even cut-and-paste.) Anyone interested? I'm trying to find images.

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I agree, the Berserk from the PTW does look like a Huscarl.
 
The Beserkers would often strip naked before going into battle. Can you imagine seeing a bunch of hairy, naked, screaming men charging at you with two axes? Clearly they weren't thinking about defending themselves. One phrase comes to mind, "Run away, run away!"
 
Originally posted by gael
I think you are being a bit fusy here, but i may be wrong.
Can you a post a picture of the two together for a comparison.

I was in the #civfanatics Chat room with Grandmaster. He and I tried to search for Pictures of the Berserkir but came up with no sucsess. To bad the History Channel's "Conquest" is not on tape yet since it realy had a good discription of what the Berserker looked like, it even showed how he acted :). (It was in the Axe episode of "Conquest" BTW ;) )
 
The berserker rage........I've always wondered if they took something. I know they used to get war elephants drunk before a battle to get them in a terrible mood. :rolleyes:
From what I've heard, the same as Kal-el, someone just needs to make a naked man ( maybe some paint ) with an attack similar to the PTW ninja I think he's already useing two hands with the motion needed. just speed it up a bit and try to make it look more chaotic, like a wild animal.
One phrase comes to mind, "Run away, run away!"
if look into the early history of the Norse invaders, they have the qulalities need to be ranked...Wrath of God but that's another disscusion:mischief:
 
Bhita: From what I've read, they DID take something. Apparently they brewed a particular kind of mead with some sort of ecstasy-inducing drug in it to make them agressive and ecstatic in battle. Unfortunately, it would kick bach in during the victory celebration and they would go and hack away at rocks until it passed (this is true, I am NOT joking.)

I'm still looking for pics. I saw the Conquest episode, so I know in my mind's eye what I'm thinking of, but I can't find much else... *sigh*
 
I would too. They naked, carrying axes, screaming, bleeding from self-inflicted wounds, and sometimes foaming at the mouth. Not something you want running at you with no regard for its own safety. ;)

Still looking for pics. Maybe my social studies teacher will having something in school today....
 
Grandmaster, I seem to have a vauge recolection of something like that, now that you mention it. Could'nt they take a lot of damage and still keep coming? and have trouble with who they where fighting, and be known to cut their own people?
 
The reason they were so feared was because they would attack with 100% agression without fearing being killed. They could shrug off enemy blows and keep attacking (probably because of the mead), and if you see someone coming at you with no regard for their safety, you're going to be scared and run away. As for knowing who they were fighting, I'm not sure.
 
Its like when the Police have to deal with somebody on Crack. They can shoot them a bunch of times but the signals don't get to the brain that the person should be dead so they just keep on coming. The berserkers body doesn't go into shock when wounded so it takes a truly lethal blow or a real accumulation of wounds to knock them down.
 
There seems to be a slight misundersanding here.
Most of the Viking warriors were actually not berserks.
The viking hordes often had berserks in their ranks and these men were highly respected if not feared among the others, for their ability to go mad with battle lust.

As to what weapons and clothing they used we cannot be entirely sure. There are sources describing berserks from Åland (island in the Baltic Sea) as men of enormous stamina wearing bear pelts and wielding great two-handed axes in battle.

I just want to make it clear, that the berserker was not the standard viking warrior, if there even was such a thing as a standard among them.
 
I believe this is a unit from Heroes of Might and Magic and would work well as a berserker even though he isn't nude.

berserker.jpg
 
Superunknown: I realize that the Berserk wasn't the standard Viking warrior. However, it was the most influential in battle, I think.

Kal-El: That could work... I would still love to see the Berserkir with two axes, though.
 
Excuse me if I sound stupid (no experience in creating units), but if he gets converted from HMM, would it be possible to do cut-and-paste to create a second axe?
 
mostly in the form of backing Superunknown.

The berserkirs were not only a select group of warriors, but to some degree alien within their own culture.

Going berserk was eventually outlawed, as it became practice for men versed in it to instigate fights from which others could not back down nor substitute with champions - and by this the rogue got himself property and whatnot.

The ancient tradition of it is embedded in mythology of Wotan - the god whose role as psychopomp (cognate with Hermes) evolved into the induction of battle rage through magic (or drugs, as most scholars see it), and realm of death that all soldiers must reconcile themselves with.

Some trace the etymology of the word berserk to the word bear (or bear-shirt), and the obvious implication is that the bear's reknowned ability to continue it's carnal rage long after receiving mortal wounds was a magically property that could be spiritually infused into the warrior whose totem and practice was the "bear".

These guys were the original leathernecks, there's no doubt.

Personally, I'm not too concerned with the weapon they're depicted with. It's my understanding that there was no single weapon emblamatic of these warriors. The paucity of iron among the scandinavian people of the time meant that they traded for many weapons - and so I'd imagine that they'd use whatever they could get their hands on.

One last side note: the German civ should get this unit too, IMO (they do in my mod, as do the Russians).
 
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