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Bon Apetit
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This was started upon encouragement from Fearius III. I was inspired by General W's 'Hypothetical Continent Map', which really gives a good idea of what our continent may look like, extrapolating from what we know for sure. He was able to formulate a hypothesis that we exist on the Southern Coast, and KISS on the Northern Shores. This was based, among other things, upon which turn it was that we sa the KISS warrior.
I then made a small attempt to determine the same for DNUTS curragh 'Marauding Shark'... This is posted in the Embassy. Having been informed that the quickest they could get a curragh is 5 turns, I started thinking....
Reviewing the Top 5 Cities, we see that Springfield achieves pop 2 at turn 7, then 3 at turn 12, then down to 1 at 13. They built a settler. Obviously curragh wasn't first. Or was it? Maybe a warrior?
I decided this Reverse Discovery of the Voyage of the Marauding Shark would be more complicated than I initially presumed, so I downloaded one of spreadsheet dealies. I'm currently trying to plug in values, and guess at their terrain usage, to figure all this out.
It is a purely academic exercise. We will see their capital once we have embassies. We will scout their shores with Snarling Narwhal (maybe before I finish this!) but it still keeps the mind limber.
Right now, I need to know things about agri civs: First of all, are the Iroquois really agri? Civ3 data indicates they are Religious and Militaristic. What will their terrains produce under despot? Right now I can only use the few screenshots of Athens as a guide to irrigated/nonirrigated mined/nonmined tile production. Any guidance will be much appreciated.
I then made a small attempt to determine the same for DNUTS curragh 'Marauding Shark'... This is posted in the Embassy. Having been informed that the quickest they could get a curragh is 5 turns, I started thinking....
Reviewing the Top 5 Cities, we see that Springfield achieves pop 2 at turn 7, then 3 at turn 12, then down to 1 at 13. They built a settler. Obviously curragh wasn't first. Or was it? Maybe a warrior?
I decided this Reverse Discovery of the Voyage of the Marauding Shark would be more complicated than I initially presumed, so I downloaded one of spreadsheet dealies. I'm currently trying to plug in values, and guess at their terrain usage, to figure all this out.
It is a purely academic exercise. We will see their capital once we have embassies. We will scout their shores with Snarling Narwhal (maybe before I finish this!) but it still keeps the mind limber.
Right now, I need to know things about agri civs: First of all, are the Iroquois really agri? Civ3 data indicates they are Religious and Militaristic. What will their terrains produce under despot? Right now I can only use the few screenshots of Athens as a guide to irrigated/nonirrigated mined/nonmined tile production. Any guidance will be much appreciated.
M4 Sherman
Chieftain
Iroquois is agricultural. At least in C3C. Some civ stats changed from the vanilla/PTW versions: Iroquois is now, if I remember clearly, Agricultural and Commercial. A powerful combination.
fe3333au
Deity
I cannot conceive of a warrior not being produced first ...
Therefore assume similar to Athens
Turn 1 -> Springfield ... set for Warrior
Turn 5 -> Warrior ... set for Settler
Turn 12 -> Settler ... set for Curragh
Turn 16 -> Curragh
Turn 17 -> 2 distance from Springfied
Turn 18 -> 4 dfS
Turn 19 -> 6 dfS
Turn 20 -> 8 dfS
Turn 21 -> 10 dfS
.
Turn 28 -> 24 dfS ... First Sighting
Turn 29 -> 26 dfS ... In front of Athens
Therefore my guestimate is that Athens is 13 turns away from Springfield ... as the Curragh sails ...(ship speed 2 tiles per turn)
and I'd look more to the direct east so I'm thinking too early in game for a suicide voyage so look for sealane heading easterly
Therefore assume similar to Athens
Turn 1 -> Springfield ... set for Warrior
Turn 5 -> Warrior ... set for Settler
Turn 12 -> Settler ... set for Curragh
Turn 16 -> Curragh
Turn 17 -> 2 distance from Springfied
Turn 18 -> 4 dfS
Turn 19 -> 6 dfS
Turn 20 -> 8 dfS
Turn 21 -> 10 dfS
.
Turn 28 -> 24 dfS ... First Sighting
Turn 29 -> 26 dfS ... In front of Athens
Therefore my guestimate is that Athens is 13 turns away from Springfield ... as the Curragh sails ...(ship speed 2 tiles per turn)
and I'd look more to the direct east so I'm thinking too early in game for a suicide voyage so look for sealane heading easterly
I agree witht the easterly position. I only traced out the northerly route because we had a glimpse of it's coast, and I couldn't rule it out. I'm still having some trouble nailing things down in that spreadsheet - I find they are building too fast for what we have seen in the Top 5 cities.
To build a settler by turn 13, and assuming their terrain is as good as ours, I could believe:
warrior-settler
curragh-settler
warrior-warrior-settler
A curragh as a first build is not that unusual (fast exploration), but when I do that, I almost always build a warrior next to find the second city location before the settler is completed. I don't think they would have had time to build curragh-warrior-settler in just 12 turns.
It would be an unusual approach, but about 45 shields (curragh + settler) really sounds like the most realistic for 12 turns. I really don't know, but I guess what we can take away from this is that if we do not find them in 13 turns, then we should not expect to find them until we have been sailing for 24 turns.
warrior-settler
curragh-settler
warrior-warrior-settler
A curragh as a first build is not that unusual (fast exploration), but when I do that, I almost always build a warrior next to find the second city location before the settler is completed. I don't think they would have had time to build curragh-warrior-settler in just 12 turns.
It would be an unusual approach, but about 45 shields (curragh + settler) really sounds like the most realistic for 12 turns. I really don't know, but I guess what we can take away from this is that if we do not find them in 13 turns, then we should not expect to find them until we have been sailing for 24 turns.
About 10 minutes ago DaveShack requested a 24 hour extension... I wonder if they trumped us on contact with TNT? It's possible that TNT managed to get to Dnut first.
I think, if these two have indeed made contact, Feaurius III will have to be roused from his usual tabac-lidded slumber and prepare a third Diplomat...
As for that 'reverse spread sheet', I haven't touched it in a couple of days. Not actually being able to open Civ3 really makes tracking down bits of info very time consuming.
I think, if these two have indeed made contact, Feaurius III will have to be roused from his usual tabac-lidded slumber and prepare a third Diplomat...
As for that 'reverse spread sheet', I haven't touched it in a couple of days. Not actually being able to open Civ3 really makes tracking down bits of info very time consuming.
fe3333au
Deity
KISS informed us that they have not met D-Nuts
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I wonder if the whole team has a brain this size. [post]3091965[/post]
fe3333au
Deity
I hope your are correct Classical_Hero 
We can use that if and when insult time comes
We can use that if and when insult time comes
I've updated that rag on which I've been speculating on the voayage of the Marauding Shark. As we went north with Snarling Narwhal, the info from that quarter is much more extensive than to the south....
Turn 55 - Donuts still don't have Horseback Riding. I though they would by now (although I can't find what turn they got the Wheel - I know there is a post about it somewhere, but maybe I will just look at old saves when I get home). Assuming it has been a while since they got the Wheel, there are 2 main possibilities regarding why they haven't finished HBR yet, leading to opposite conclusions:
1. Their research is weaker than I expected, possibly because TNT has done severe damage.
2. They deliberately did not finish HBR and are accumulating gold. They are building chariots and will upgrade to Mounted Warriors later. For this to be plausible, TNT must not have any troops immediately threatening, and Donuts is figuring they have some time while TNT moves troops toward them.
1. Their research is weaker than I expected, possibly because TNT has done severe damage.
2. They deliberately did not finish HBR and are accumulating gold. They are building chariots and will upgrade to Mounted Warriors later. For this to be plausible, TNT must not have any troops immediately threatening, and Donuts is figuring they have some time while TNT moves troops toward them.
fe3333au
Deity
Never would have thought of opion 2 ... very interesting strategy
Wheel was researched the last time they kept us waiting until replying to us ... seems they are doing the same thing yet again ...
Wheel was researched the last time they kept us waiting until replying to us ... seems they are doing the same thing yet again ...
Donuts first had the Wheel on our Turn 49. It is probably too early to think they are delaying research - 6 turns would be about the fastest they could possibly have done it in. If they still don't have it by turn 57 or 58, then something is definitely up.
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