Updates to City Names

[Daffy]

Yep, we already consulted with Daffy in PMs about this
I will look into the german part of the map too. Any other suggestions regarding that area?

regarding the Weser area or Germany in general?

I 'only' have the odd 'river' flowing into the Oder in mind and the somewhat odd flow of the Oder. It does make a west bend, but not so extreme.

And maybe less grassland and more plains around northeastern Germany (between Lübeck and the Oder)
I haven't really been around that area that much but as far as I can tell the ground is largely made of sand(not good for agriculture)

Rest would simply be namemaps

 

[Morholt]

I revised the Sweden and Norse maps.

Lots of little things, a big thing is that the original map-maker apparently confused Rostock and Stettin - I trust this is fixed in the German and Polish citymaps by now? Norse now has names for the Ukraine/Crimea area as well as Normandy. I recommend that Sweden should not have Norse city names for the British isles - by the 1500's Swedish was distinct from Norse and they would not have used Norse names for the British cities.

 

[Panopticon]

The Irish names are slightly wrong and I could fix them quickly, if you could upload the English file.

 

[AbsintheRed]

I revised the Sweden and Norse maps.

Lots of little things, a big thing is that the original map-maker apparently confused Rostock and Stettin - I trust this is fixed in the German and Polish citymaps by now? Norse now has names for the Ukraine/Crimea area as well as Normandy. I recommend that Sweden should not have Norse city names for the British isles - by the 1500's Swedish was distinct from Norse and they would not have used Norse names for the British cities.

Just checked them, overally both looks good
One major thing only: In RFCE city placement is possible in a 2 radius, so you can have cities 2 tiles away from each other.
Thus we should put names in a max 2*2 square in the city name maps, to avoid the possibility of multiple cities with the same name...

The Irish names are slightly wrong and I could fix them quickly, if you could upload the English file.

Unfortunately I don't have the python script 3Miro wrote, so you have to wait till he gets some time to do this

 

[Rod]

My geography on East Germany is a bit off, but I can't see any major river it could represent, so I'd go with your theory that it's a misattributed canal.

it might represent the Spree. Not a major river, true, but the river flowing through Berlin which is a major city in that region.

 

[Morholt]

Just checked them, overally both looks good
One major thing only: In RFCE city placement is possible in a 2 radius, so you can have cities 2 tiles away from each other.
Thus we should put names in a max 2*2 square in the city name maps, to avoid the possibility of multiple cities with the same name...

Ok, hang on a bit before committing and I'll make a v2. The Stettin/Rostock confusion (Rostock is one square from Lubeck) is a serious error and I remember seeing it in other citymaps such as Germany and Poland before. Has it been fixed?

 

[AbsintheRed]

Ok, hang on a bit before committing and I'll make a v2. The Stettin/Rostock confusion (Rostock is one square from Lubeck) is a serious error and I remember seeing it in other citymaps such as Germany and Poland before. Has it been fixed?

You don't have to hurry at all, take your time
I don't have 3Miro's python script (which he used to put the names from the python files to the worldbuilder map and vica versa)
So we have to wait for him to commit, but of course I will check all the uploaded maps meanwhile

I will make sure that Stettin/Rostock will be fixed when someone (or we if noone volunteers) updates the german and polish city maps

 

[Morholt]

Ok, in the meanwhile what are your thoughts about this:
- Should cities on islands (such as saaremaa and gotland) be named after the island or the largest settlement?
- The city of Lubeck is on the same square as Wismar, which was swedish from the 30 years war until 1903. Should Lubeck be called Wismar in the swedish citymap?

 

[3Miro]

Ok, in the meanwhile what are your thoughts about this:
- Should cities on islands (such as saaremaa and gotland) be named after the island or the largest settlement?
- The city of Lubeck is on the same square as Wismar, which was swedish from the 30 years war until 1903. Should Lubeck be called Wismar in the swedish citymap?

- The largest settlement on the Island.
- The name should be Swedish and historically accurate.

 

[Morholt]

V2 of Norse and Swedish city names update. Got rid of 3-radius cities. Both Sweden and Norse should be able to do their UHV's without getting silly names now.

 

[AbsintheRed]

V2 of Norse and Swedish city names update. Got rid of 3-radius cities. Both Sweden and Norse should be able to do their UHV's without getting silly names now.

Cool, will check it in a few hours

 

[Olaf_The_Great]

Reykjavik is nowhere near the settleable area of Iceland in the map, I say we either move Iceland Southeast a bit and make the western fjords(plains and tundra with rivers with ivory and fish) colonizable.

 

[Daffy]

Ok, in the meanwhile what are your thoughts about this:
- Should cities on islands (such as saaremaa and gotland) be named after the island or the largest settlement?
- The city of Lubeck is on the same square as Wismar, which was swedish from the 30 years war until 1903. Should Lubeck be called Wismar in the swedish citymap?

Wismar is about 30-40 miles east of Lübeck
one tile east of Lübeck would be more fitting but I think (german city name map)

 

[Michael Vick]

Just out of curiosity, what is the deal with the lack of accents in the city names? I remember some reason was stated long ago but I do miss them from normal RFC and they were possible there.

The Portuguese (so probably the Spanish as well) city names for Madeira and the Azores are a bit sketchy. Right now it seems as though all of the names are from the Azores and Madeira is unrepresented. The error here is kind of obvious, somebody mistook Madeira for one of the Azores because the name that comes up is Ponta Delgada. There is a two tiled island in the Atlantic with salt and sugar on it in between the Azores and the Canaries. That is Madeira. It's location is a bit off in our map, should be more to the right and a little more South. Google Maps? The correct city name for both of its tiles is Funchal.

The Azores are all in the right spots, but the southernmost island's city name should be Vila do Porto. One more island to the North, where the most desirable spot for a city is, should have the name Ponta Delgada, the historical largest and most important settlement on the islands. The other islands on the very edge of the map should be Horta.

This probably isn't a big deal because the islands almost never get settled but it is a glaring error in the map.

 

[Optical]

I haven't seen any in the base game either.

EDIT:

Reykjavik is nowhere near the settleable area of Iceland in the map, I say we either move Iceland Southeast a bit and make the western fjords(plains and tundra with rivers with ivory and fish) colonizable.

Hey! Another Olaf!

 

[merijn_v1]

Just out of curiosity, what is the deal with the lack of accents in the city names? I remember some reason was stated long ago but I do miss them from normal RFC and they were possible there.

The Portuguese (so probably the Spanish as well) city names for Madeira and the Azores are a bit sketchy. Right now it seems as though all of the names are from the Azores and Madeira is unrepresented. The error here is kind of obvious, somebody mistook Madeira for one of the Azores because the name that comes up is Ponta Delgada. There is a two tiled island in the Atlantic with salt and sugar on it in between the Azores and the Canaries. That is Madeira. It's location is a bit off in our map, should be more to the right and a little more South. Google Maps? The correct city name for both of its tiles is Funchal.

The Azores are all in the right spots, but the southernmost island's city name should be Vila do Porto. One more island to the North, where the most desirable spot for a city is, should have the name Ponta Delgada, the historical largest and most important settlement on the islands. The other islands on the very edge of the map should be Horta.

This probably isn't a big deal because the islands almost never get settled but it is a glaring error in the map.

I think it's done by the russification of the mod. (no offense to the Russians)

 

[3Miro]

I think it's done by the russification of the mod. (no offense to the Russians)

Yes, there was some conflict between Python and Russian. At this point, it seems better to remove some accents than to remove an entire language.

 

[Barratt_87]

I have a question regarding the moscow city names map. What is it based on? My concern here is the names given when they take certain kievan cities. For example, i've built tsaritsn as kiev, switched to moscow and it becomes something totally different once taken. Now, I dont know much about medieval russia but i know that tsaritsan was a prominent city in the tsardom of russia, hence the name. So why is it so different?

 

[3Miro]

The Russian and Kiev maps are out of sync, there are a few tiles that have one name under one player and completely different name for another. I can upload the map is you want to edit/adjust it.

 

[Barratt_87]

Sure... Besides russia/kiev what are the major name problem areas right now? I'd like to help.. Just bear in mind that im not from any of these areas and my sources are multiple atlas' and wikipedia. But despite the slow go lately this is still my favorite mod and I'd like to help get it back on track.