V24 initial observations

[Thunderbrd]

If you keep that tool limited to extracting only a few tags at a time, I think it could be far more useful to you than it was to me. I made the mistake of trying to get it to get EVERYTHING at once and got overly frustrated with it. You'll also find the tool has a neat byproduct of being an incidental debugging tool as well, finding some xml errors (duplications that shouldn't exist etc...) that aren't critical but can create some odd game effects. If you see what I mean, don't be afraid to bring up what you've found. (but we should move this discussion to another thread so that we don't keep hijacking the point it was originated for. ) Thanks again for your help!

 

[AIAndy]

See i am not understanding this, i reduced the volcanoes by 1/2 of what it used to be, are by chance any of these map you'll are playing a GEM map?

You didn't change the iWeight of the volcano event that is the issue here but instead changed the weight of the vanilla volcano event.
The culprit is in Ori's module folder.

Changing the chance there might not do much though as the main problem with early events is that there are very few events at that time and the iWeight is a relative chance. So if the game decides you will get an event now and there are for example only 4 events possible in the early time then the volcano one will be choosen very often (and on the other hand very rarely late in game when there are a lot of different possible events).

 

[Sarah Starlight]

Version 24 changes
http://pastebin.com/RCQvk3EV

 

[strategyonly]

Version 24 changes
http://pastebin.com/RCQvk3EV

Thats nice and all but it needs to be by the author of what was submitted also, see post # 6 C2C Main page.

 

[Actuarian]

You didn't change the iWeight of the volcano event that is the issue here but instead changed the weight of the vanilla volcano event.
The culprit is in Ori's module folder.

Changing the chance there might not do much though as the main problem with early events is that there are very few events at that time and the iWeight is a relative chance. So if the game decides you will get an event now and there are for example only 4 events possible in the early time then the volcano one will be choosen very often (and on the other hand very rarely late in game when there are a lot of different possible events).

What file is it in? Which event is it? Can I set the iWeight to zero to effectively turn it off?

Is there any chance of removing this event for everyone until the issue is resolved? This is a real show stopper.

 

[jmmendesp]

If you keep that tool limited to extracting only a few tags at a time, I think it could be far more useful to you than it was to me. I made the mistake of trying to get it to get EVERYTHING at once and got overly frustrated with it. You'll also find the tool has a neat byproduct of being an incidental debugging tool as well, finding some xml errors (duplications that shouldn't exist etc...) that aren't critical but can create some odd game effects. If you see what I mean, don't be afraid to bring up what you've found. (but we should move this discussion to another thread so that we don't keep hijacking the point it was originated for. ) Thanks again for your help!

Speaking of not derailing the thread, I went ahead and created a thread for the project.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=11638922#post11638922

 

[anunknownman]

well, my observation is that there are many new techs that have nothing to give you so there isn't alot of point in investing in them aside from unlocking better techs....

i will get working on that soon
@all modders
btw, when exactly can i start modding in the svn itself???? i mean i have done a bit of work and would like a permit to bring'em in...

 

[strategyonly]

well, my observation is that there are many new techs that have nothing to give you so there isn't alot of point in investing in them aside from unlocking better techs....

i will get working on that soon
@all modders
btw, when exactly can i start modding in the svn itself???? i mean i have done a bit of work and would like a permit to bring'em in...

Well this is how it works in C2C, you first have to have a mentor, whom can monitor YOUR stuff you want to do, then about 3-4 weeks later THEY will determine if your a fit for C2C or not, because ALOT of people ask, then they see how hard it actually is to mod and give up, just like i had one over 2 months ago, saying he wanted to do the new civs for C2C, well i gave him 1 civ to do in a week, and it took him 2 weeks, then i gave him another one and its been over 2 months, i have PM'ed him about three times and asked him in post, but no responses so, all i can say is adios.

 

[anunknownman]

Well this is how it works in C2C, you first have to have a mentor, whom can monitor YOUR stuff you want to do, then about 3-4 weeks later THEY will determine if your a fit for C2C or not, because ALOT of people ask, then they see how hard it actually is to mod and give up, just like i had one over 2 months ago, saying he wanted to do the new civs for C2C, well i gave him 1 civ to do in a week, and it took him 2 weeks, then i gave him another one and its been over 2 months, i have PM'ed him about three times and asked him in post, but no responses so, all i can say is adios.

ok i see, so i will be paitient and take my time, but to be honest i don't find modding techs and buildings so far i mean it's not the most fun thing in the world but i thought it would be as hard as hell!!! but i do want to get to mod events and resources
so that might be hard, and not to mention i will get a few days without modding becuse of my theory driving test

 

[strategyonly]

ok i see, so i will be paitient and take my time, but to be honest i don't find modding techs and buildings so far i mean it's not the most fun thing in the world but i thought it would be as hard as hell!!! but i do want to get to mod events and resources
so that might be hard, and not to mention i will get a few days without modding becuse of my theory driving test

I hear ya, event are not a specialty of mine either, and even hard is quests, MAN what a job there is to do on them

I wish we had a person that could do about 50 quests, it would make this mod way better than it already is, i like quests.

 

[CiverDan]

Just recently started a new game on the new version of the mod. In the last game the game got so long in between turns and the file size was 10mb. I had 58 ICBMs and one turn i spent 10 minutes strategically nuking certain points but the game would stop for like 10 seconds after the nuke animation went off. On my 30ish ICBM the game crashed to desktop. Im gonna try a large map this time and 6 civs instead of the default 28 something for huge earth, maybe that would help decrease turn times. The 50,000BC start time concerns me. I was launching ICBMs at 980BC (Eternity speed, i always play on the longest game speed) on my old game. New techs are nice and all, but theres a huge 3/4 tech thick section immediately after modern era with absolutely no new buildings or units, which will get kind of annoying if I get that far. Then the tech tree all the way at the end seems pulled apart, the techs are more spaced apart and one tech in the middle of the gray techs (don't know what era that is) is purple. The little white lines that point to what certain techs lead to are kind of bugged at the end too. The lines would disappear or fragment when you scroll to one side. I can provide pictures of this stuff if necessary cause its kind of hard to explain.

Also small suggestion, is it possible to have a button or a hotkey that wakes up all of ones doomsday weapons at once? Was kinda annoying keeping track of which cities I checked had ICBMs and which didnt.

EDIT: Oh and in the new version theres a bit of lag after a unit moves.

You have 10 MB file size without MAF problems? What do you have for a machine? I get MAF issues above 1.8 MB on a 4 GB machine w/Windows 7.

 

[KingArthur666]

You have 10 MB file size without MAF problems? What do you have for a machine? I get MAF issues above 1.8 MB on a 4 GB machine w/Windows 7.

I'm surprised you can play this mod on a 4 GB machine. I've got an 8 GB Win 7x64 machine and I can barely play it. My current game the latest save is 3.6 MB. I usually get wiped out by the AI, or totally overrun the AI. In that case I often get bored and start a new game. This game is going pretty good. I'm crushing my neighbors, only two left (and neither can compete), but there are still "unknown" civs beating me to techs and wonders, so there is competition to be found. It's taking forever to get ocean going ships though.

 

[strategyonly]

It's taking forever to get ocean going ships though.

I agree here, dont you hate that, i do!!

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

ok i see, so i will be paitient and take my time, but to be honest i don't find modding techs and buildings so far i mean it's not the most fun thing in the world but i thought it would be as hard as hell!!! but i do want to get to mod events and resources
so that might be hard, and not to mention i will get a few days without modding becuse of my theory driving test

Ori is the person to talk to about mentoring for events. If he is not available then perhaps I can help as I have been doing simple event stuff for unit missions. For resources probably me (map) or Hydro (manufactured). I am more than willing to let someone else work on the balance for placement of map resources.

 

[anunknownman]

Ori is the person to talk to about mentoring for events. If he is not available then perhaps I can help as I have been doing simple event stuff for unit missions. For resources probably me (map) or Hydro (manufactured). I am more than willing to let someone else work on the balance for placement of map resources.

well i actually want to work on manufacured resources rather than mapped ones so i think i will learn on that, but i haven't seen him for a while so maybe he is busy in RL but i found a guide that looks promising instead.

 

[Sgtslick]

I agree here, dont you hate that, i do!!

It'd be cool if coastal ships got an 'ocean' promotion after 3 promotions or something, but even then you could have like a 40% they they would die if they ended the turn on ocean tile.

 

[KingArthur666]

It'd be cool if coastal ships got an 'ocean' promotion after 3 promotions or something, but even then you could have like a 40% they they would die if they ended the turn on ocean tile.

Three promotions is not nearly enough for such a powerful advancement; eight or nine would be better. Maybe, if it was 100% death if ending turn in ocean tile, but then I seem to recall the AI having difficulty dealing with such things.
My capital churns out level five units every turn. Slaver's Bay, while only cranking out level four units can crank out multiple units every turn (depending on unit cost, two expensive units or 5-6 cheap ones.)

 

[draz]

Is scientific trait being phased out, or is Mansa Musa just that special and awesome?

 

[strategyonly]

It'd be cool if coastal ships got an 'ocean' promotion after 3 promotions or something, but even then you could have like a 40% they they would die if they ended the turn on ocean tile.

There is a NEW mod that lets you use ships on RIVERS, but i can do C++ or python, so either Koshling or AIAndy, will have to look into it.

 

[LumenAngel]

Maybe luck, but no volcano for me...
Just 8 mammoths near my capital and my 2nd city as events...

Yes, AI never hunt, but that is not really new.

Crusader and Spartacus are stille OP (and Spartacus can be put in a boat able to transport only civilians... Get him with a great commander and enjoy your fast attack over ocean...)

The really strange part was, at ~1000 BC, I was in Industrial era, another AI (Gigamesh) too... And all the others was still minor or at ancient era!
OK, I hunt really fast, i was able to have a tribe at turn 18 (in a village), but it was fast for industrial era... And same for the other AI...