vegetarianism

[IceBlaZe]

I once tried to be a veggie.
So I cooked some spaghetti (not westerns ).
The result was, very tasty spaghetti.
And then I added some meat to it (tuna).
The result was: Tastier Spaghetti.
Conclusion?
Being vegiterian sucks ass and I don't see anything to it.

 

[ComradeDavo]

ok, and are you pro life or pro choice? (with regard to the abortion issue)

I have always been pro-choice.

Abortion is a complicated issue, but I really don't see how it is connected to vegetarianism.

Nature has done a lot to ensure that creatures are not cannibals

It has nothing to do with canabilism, what I meant was that I consider eating a human no different from eating an animal, and I don't eat either!

 

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by ComradeDavo
I have always been pro-choice.

Abortion is a complicated issue, but I really don't see how it is connected to vegetarianism.

I just find it hypocritical for those who are pro choice to tell others that they shouldn't eat meat, or worse, that they would prevent me from eating meat if they could. Your argument is that you believe all animals deserve the same rights as humans. Therefore, one should never kill and eat an animal. I disagree with the statement, but I really don't care because it is your choice. Lots of vegetarians think like that. There are some animal rights activists who would like to prevent people from eating meat though, and I find it intellectualy inconsistent for those people to also be pro choice.

What it comes down to is that in both circumstances (abortion and the eating meat issue) there are choices being made by the people who engage in those activities. Those who are pro choice do not believe the unborn fetus to be a human life entitled to the same rights as those who have been born. Those who eat meat do not believe that animals are entitled to the same rights as human beings. Those who are pro choice (abortion) protest vehemently against those who tell them that the unborn fetus has the same rights as a human being. How, at the same time, could the same person argue that others (meat eaters) do not have the same right to decide whether or not animals are entitled to the same rights as a human being?

Again, I really don't care what a vegetarian decides to eat or not eat. I'm just asking for the same latitude you accord people who choose to have abortions.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Ahh, I see where you are coming from.

I look at it in a different way.

I think the best way to explain it is that I would apply the choice issue on abortions to the animals as well.

(this is entirely hypothetical of course)

sorry I can't think of a better way to explain it.

 

[VoodooAce]

The level of animosity toward vegetarians leads me to believe that I should invest somehow in the theraputic field.

Heck, I eat meat. I think its a given that, evolutionarily speaking, we are made to eat meat. Our teeth are the teeth those that eat both meat and plants. That's enough for me.

Not that I'm religious or anything, but I like the quote, "If we're not supposed to eat the animals, why'd God make them taste so good" or the variation ".....then why'd he make them out of meat?"

My sis is a vegetarian, as are many of her friends, and I don't get preached from them a tenth of what I get from my religious friends.

Anybody in this thread that complains of being preached at had better have never done the same thing preaching religion to someone that just wishes you'd shut up.

 

[D.Shaffer]

If God didnt want us eating meat, he wouldnt make it so damn tasty!

Actually, some fallacies there. While cats, dogs, and other natural born predators do have some instinctual skills, SUCCESSFUL predators need to be taught by their mothers. Put your kitten in the middle of the wilderness and it would likely die unless it learned proper hunting skills. Kittens, like any animal (including humans) will attempt to eat ANYTHING when they're young. This is a necesary part of the learning process as this is the stage where they figure out what they like eating or not.

As to why we eat meat, meat is, pound per pound, the BEST source of nutrition for a human. It has all the amino acids we need to survive without watching yuor diet and making sure to match complementary proteins. It also has a key ingredient for survival, Fat. While you can get fat from the natural oils in many plants, you're going to get a lot more from meat. The only thing meat really lacks is simple sugars, and if you get it bloody enough, you dont even have to worry about that.

Also, pure herbivores ARENT pure herbivores. Many so called herbivores will gladly nibble on carrion if they get the chance. Unfortunately for them. they dont usually have access to it ebfore the scavengers start hanging around. As many scavengers will just as happily eat a rabbit as the thing left in the middle of the road, they tend not to do it often. (If you have a rabbit, stick a drumstick or piece of steak in the cage, it WILL nibble on it) Nevermind all the microfauna on the plants you eat. You cant AVOID killing animal to survive, so why make the distiction between eating a higher life form such as a cow, and a lower one such as a microbial worm?

 

[Magnus]

I once dated a girl who was vegetarian - not by morals - but by the fact that she had once visited a slaughterhouse and got totally bogued out by the experience. Of course this only applied to EATING meat, not other uses for animals - thus when a vegan would stick a finger in her face and say "If you call yourself a vegetarian, why are you wearing leather shoes?" she would calmly respond "I don't eat my shoes."

Of course, her vegetarian ways always deserted her on trips watch the Red Sox play as the lure of the 'Fenway Frank' was just too much to resist...

 

[Lord_Vetinari]

I am an indirect vegitarian: I only eat animals who were vegetarians.

 

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Lord_Vetinari
I am an indirect vegitarian: I only eat animals who were vegetarians.

Not if you eat Chickens, Pork, or Beef. Maybe they only ate veggies in nature, but the ground protein pellets they are fed come from animal sources. That's how the whole mad-cow disease problem started -> someone fed ground sheep to the cows, and the sheep had been infected with scrapie.

 

[MrPresident]

That's how the whole mad-cow disease problem started -> someone fed ground sheep to the cows, and the sheep had been infected with scrapie.

Actually it was caused by farmers feeding cows the rearend of other cows.

 

[Zwelgje]

Originally posted by MrPresident
Actually it was caused by farmers feeding cows the rearend of other cows.

Actually it was caused by feeding cows waste from the meat industry. In the meat industry only the parts that people want to eat are taken from the animals and the rest is waste. This waste (often including brains) is pulverised and then squezed into little chunks that can be fed to cows again. The whole mad cow disease was (probably) caused by prions which occur in brains.

 

[knowltok2]

Bumper Sticker: I didn't claw myt way to the top of the food chain to be a vegatarian.

Tofu does not compliment Guiness in the same way that a good steak does. I like meat, I eat meat, and I am immune to any preaching or sights that might convince me to do otherwise. I do look at cows and think 'steak'. I have seen and smelled egg farms, and I still love a good omlet. No sentimental quasi-logic is going to convince me to even give a second thought to what animals I eat.

That said, my beef is with those that call themselves vegetarians, and then eat fish. WTH is up with that? What did the fishes ever do to deserve a lower place on the 'deserve to be saved' scale?

Dennis Leary put it best:

Dennis: Next. What are you and what do you do?

Seal: I'm a seal, and I make cute human motions with my flippers.

Dennis: Okay, you're free to go. Next

Cow: I'm a cow, I go 'moooo'.

Dennis: Your a F'in leather jacket. Get on the truck.


You know knowltok, there are a lot of decaffinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.

 

[Lord_Vetinari]

But I only eat Moose

 

[damunzy]

I make sure I get my 2 servings of meat ever meal. I try to get 1 serving of veggies ever day. If I skip meat in a meal I feel bad. If I skip veggies in a meal I don't even notice, except intellectually (thinking: I should've eaten a veggie).

When I look at cows I think steaks and I would love to hunt but Ihave not experienced that yet. Someday soon, hopefully.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by knowltok2
Tofu does not compliment Guiness in the same way that a good steak does. I like meat, I eat meat, and I am immune to any preaching or sights that might convince me to do otherwise. I do look at cows and think 'steak'. I have seen and smelled egg farms, and I still love a good omlet. No sentimental quasi-logic is going to convince me to even give a second thought to what animals I eat.

I kind of like tofu myself. My kind of tofu is cooked with spices, chilli, the works, so it'd be quite a bit tastier. Deeeelllliiiiicccciiiiooouuuussss!

But I am also a confirmed meat-eater. Only toothless ppl shld be vegetarians.

 

[MrPresident]

Only toothless ppl shld be vegetarians.

They can still have chicken soup.

 

[ainwood]

Originally posted by civ1-addict
The whole mad cow disease was (probably) caused by prions which occur in brains.

Good qualification.

Scientists have not yet been able to conclusively prove what the cause of CJD is.

... And if they can't agree on what the cause is, does anyone actually believe that we can take reassurance from the "beef is safe" statements?

 

[knowltok2]

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
I kind of like tofu myself. My kind of tofu is cooked with spices, chilli, the works, so it'd be quite a bit tastier. Deeeelllliiiiicccciiiiooouuuussss!

But I am also a confirmed meat-eater. Only toothless ppl shld be vegetarians.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Tofu. In truth it is just the unfortunate victim of its own circumstances. Forever doome to be used as an example of something that almost, but not entirely, doesn't resemble meat.

Tofu is fine, I eat salads, I even have a veggie burger now and then, but nothing replaces meat.

 

[MrPresident]

I even have a veggie burger now and then, but nothing replaces meat.

Isn't veggie burger an oxymoron?

 

[knowltok2]

Originally posted by MrPresident

Isn't veggie burger an oxymoron?

Answer A: I don't think so. There are turkey burgers, which is a hamburger made of turkey, a veggie burger is the same with veggies. Since Hamburger is referring to Hamburg, Germany, and not to a patty made out of ham, I do not believe it is an oxymoron.

Answer B: No!