Venezuelan car production screeches to halt, used cars now cost more than new

btw if anyone is wondering, i'm selling my dad's Honda Sonata for 33,000 Bolivars when we move to Venezuela. That would be 15,000 $ more then what we payed for, my dad is giving the money to me to buy my first car, which i still need help deciding :)
 
so now every car that rolls out of a showroom immediately increases in value, making a used car more expensive than a new one.
Darn, one unique feature less for USSR...
 
In the USSR there's a free market for cars?

Aren't cars rationed and only affordable in black markets?
If one wanted to buy a new car one had to get a "buying permit" and there was a queue of few years. But you could buy a second-hand car from someone who was willing to sell his - selling your personal car was not prohibited. Therefore, second-hand cars were more expensive than new ones - you did not have to wait a queue and you did not need an official permit to buy one.
 
If one wanted to buy a new car one had to get a "buying permit" and there was a queue of few years. But you could buy a second-hand car from someone who was willing to sell his - selling your personal car was not prohibited. Therefore, second-hand cars were more expensive than new ones - you did not have to wait a queue and you did not need an official permit to buy one.

...and it is illegal?

It is a quota system, so as the supply withers, the quota appreciates.
 
No, he's talking about the official system for purchasing new cars in the Soviet Union. Because the waitlist was so long, people were willing to pay more for used cars that they could get immediately, and apparently, selling your personal car in the Soviet Union wasn't prohibited...
 
No, he's talking about the official system for purchasing new cars in the Soviet Union. Because the waitlist was so long, people were willing to pay more for used cars that they could get immediately, and apparently, selling your personal car in the Soviet Union wasn't prohibited...

you do know there was a such thing as personal property in the USSR dont you?
 
Yes, but the USSR was generally hostile to commerce when it came to circumventing the Soviet system... I need not provide you with examples.

Oh yeah. But some people seem to think there was absolutely no property that didnt belong to the state.
 
you do know there was a such thing as personal property in the USSR dont you?
Well, he and I both expressly said "selling your personal car was not prohibited". Most people would reach conclusion we knew there was personal property... :)

However, doing this sort of thing repeatedly, as sort of a business venture, would have been illegal.
 
Unless you were in the Central Committee... then you'd get the Hero of Socialist Labor for innovative thinking in increasing car ownership in the Soviet Union. :crazyeye:
 
What is really messed up though, about the Bolivar currency is this:

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It has a 12 and 1/2 cent coin. Yes i said it, 12½ cent coin.

:eek: This is ridiculous!
 
leave them in the hands of companies, foreign or not, which are after all subject to the law just like everybody else


In my experience it is only the small companies that are subject to the law.

Some of us put money in banks to be held safely, but the bankers just gambled it.
Apart from the extreme case of Madoff, how many bankers are awaiting trial?

In reality the law is subject to the lobbying of the big companies who bribe,
ignore or intimidate law enforcement and legislators.
 
I didn't know Venezuela made cars.
 
In my experience it is only the small companies that are subject to the law.
Well, that explains why Enron, Arthur Andersen, and MCI WorldCom are still around. Also, this is about Venezuela's car production and their shortage economy; from 2007 on they also experienced shortages in milk, eggs, beef, corn, beans, sugar, and other basic foodstuffs.

I didn't know Venezuela made cars.
I believe they're made on license from another country's company; I know Spain under Franco produced some Fiats under license from Italy, etc.
 
I believe 10 years from now, Venezuela would be much better, i wouldn't be making the decision to move there if it had a bleak future. Chavez will be out in the next few years.
I see very little reason for such optism. Even though venezuelans first voted to not allow infinite re-elections, Chávez eventually had it his way. He can technically stay in power for decades, and I think he will, unless he is killed. As for Venezuela getting better... just wait and see how these next two years will be like for the country. You'll understand what I mean.

Chavez is using that oil money not on himself or his party, he is using it to build roads, make Caracas have one of the best transit systems in the world, build bridges, help the poor, put a patch on the Education and health systems etc. Very un-dictatorship like imo. Ounce Chavez is gone, and no dictator comes in, Venezuela will have a period of growth.
Those are alot of wrong assumptions, right there. Venezuelan infra-structure is worse than ever. A bridge in a highway connecting Caracas to the main port actually collapsed. One of the best transit systems in the world? Man, go there and see for yourself just how far off that is.

Inflation is out of control. Oil production is decreasing because he sacked all competent employees from PDVSA and filled it with incompetent and corrupt chavistas. Now that oil prices are falling, he will be forced to print money to maintain at least the facade of his social programs that buy his popularity among the very poor. Inflation will skyrocket, killing the purchasing power of the poor venezuelans who will depend even more on government handouts.

Industrial output in Venezuela has decreased quite alot since the caudillo seized power. Basically, that country is going to the sewer. I wouldn't want to be there for the next years.

Also, there is no paranoia against foreign companies like in dicatorship and communism, there is still tons of foreign companies in Venezuela, just not in the industrial department. Venezuelan companies are doing all the things that American oil and resource companies would be doing if they were there, except the profit stays in Venezuela, not go to America. (See the Congo, New Guinea and Borneo as examples of what i mean)
First, nobody knows what you mean by Congo, New Guinea and Borneo. Why can't you look at the many developing nations that embraced american and foreign investement in genereal and prospered more than Venezuela can dream?

Second, the paranoia is there. Chávez keeps nationalizing key companies, and when the owners complain they are called american spies and worse.

Paranoia against foreign companies would be like how Coca-Cola wasn't in communist countries, and we had the cheap Russian knock-off of Cola instead. Venezuela has compainies like Coca-Cola, rather then a Venezuelan knock-off. ;) that is what i'm trying to mean, basically they allow foreign companies in, that don't take advantage of Venezuela.
Companies don't take advantage. They sell a product, buy it if you want to, work for them if you want to. They are subject to the same laws as local companies, pay the same taxes, etc.
 
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