Version 2.7 discussion

Jabarto · May 4, 2009

If you're going to use lead for improved construction speed of Sewers and Bath Houses, I guess it would make sense to extend that to Aqueducts as well.

Zimbaa · May 4, 2009

Was Lead used in Aqueducts?

Jabarto · May 4, 2009

Zimbaa said:
Was Lead used in Aqueducts?

I think so, but I'm not certain.

Dancing Hoskuld · May 4, 2009

The actual point is that lead plumbing is not actually poisonous :crazyeye:

. Apparently the lead oxidises in contact with water and no lead makes it into the water itself. It is amazing what people do for their research projects :lol:

However lead in the air is a BIG problem - so is eating it.

2ndimpression · May 4, 2009

The romans also used to add lead to their wine - to improve the taste :crazyeye:

Axil · May 4, 2009

2ndimpression said:
The romans also used to add lead to their wine - to improve the taste

So did the french - actually it's been suggested that lead ingestion from wine was one of the reasons why Handel (the composer) suddenly changed from making Operas to composing oratorios (such as Messiah) as lead poisoning and pain it incurred changed his personality. What use to happen was that port (Handel's favorite tipple) did not only have a slug of lead shot added to the barrel at the french vinyard but on arriving in the British Isle merchants would craftily add another slug to 'freshen up' the wine hence making things worse

Therefore Lead should be given a culture bonus :rolleyes:

Bezhukov · May 4, 2009

Any chance of decreasing the defense value of the various artillery while maintaining the offense? I believe that some of the scenarios packaged with BtS make use of this feature. I seem to recall a 2/7 Tar Demon, or maybe that was FFHII.

Doesn't make much historical sense for infantry to fight their way through to hand-to-hand combat with artillery pieces only to be presumably shot dead at point-blank range. As far as game-play is concerned, the AI likes to overload its BtS naval sneak attacks with artillery pieces, which due to their incongruously high strength in RoM leads to death stacks that make Deity play too luck-based. A 17/5, say, stack of 20 Bombards would be much more manageable than what usually shows up presently, when one has only 9/9 swords and 8/8 trebs (at best) with which to fight.

guidemwit · May 5, 2009

I have a problem with Incan Empire
Unique building is Terrace which replaced Granery
but when i build Modern granary
the old Terrace was destroyed
but
I can build Terrace again!!!!!!

DRJ · May 5, 2009

Regarding the "what was/is lead used for"-discussion I would like to add the fact, that (christian) cathedrals used a lot of lead, for the roofs and for the connection of the stones netting between the glass windows etc.

Therefore I would suggest +15% :hammers:

for building of cathedrals if your civilization has connected lead, and reducing the stone-bonus to +35% :hammers:

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Bezhukov · May 6, 2009

The AI is having serious issues with improving its tiles. First, it clears all forests for farms, then realizes that it needs hammers and spams workshops, even on its food resources (!). Forbidding the AI from clearing forests (except to connect resources) would go a long way toward making it more competitive with human players, particularly with cottages so weak as they currently are (by the time cottages mature, there is plenty of commerce available from trade routes, not to mention the Proletarian civic turning farms and workshops into good sources of commerce in their own right).

Additionally, I'm still conquering cities mid to late game with no fish huts. This building is probably the most powerful in the game (especially with shrimp added), and should be the top priority, especially over that 37 turn infantry build.

FoulFoot · May 6, 2009

Can we copy 2.7 test on top of 2.63, or will this cause problems?

Foul

JosEPh_II · May 6, 2009

FoulFoot said:
Can we copy 2.7 test on top of 2.63, or will this cause problems?

Foul

Make a Backup copy of 2.7test and then patch with 2.63. If it works let us know.

My :2cents: is that it will cause problems. But maybe zappara will answer in the meantime.

I'm playing 2.7test1 also. It's played fine so far, 1944A.D..

Changes to the Mod are happening at a head spinning pace now with the ModModders. :crazyeye:

JosEPh

FoulFoot · May 6, 2009

I did it in reverse -- installed 2.63, then patched to 2.7.

Played about 50 turns. One crash, which I didn't bother paying too much attention to (was similar to the RevDCM crash from 2.6, where it crashes right before the autosave). However, the game completely locks up when going to the Civics screen and attempting to select a different civic. Reproduceable, too.

I think I'll go back to 2.62 with 2.7 patched on it.

Foul

konradcabral · May 6, 2009

Yup, the civics screen is definitely troubled. Two crashes when trying to change civics at the screen.

FoulFoot · May 6, 2009

Hmmm. Just re-installed the whole shibang, with 2.7 patched on top of 2.62. Civics screen still crashing. Not sure how other people are playing 2.7 without hiccups?

Foul

Lance of Llanwy · May 7, 2009

FoulFoot said:
Hmmm. Just re-installed the whole shibang, with 2.7 patched on top of 2.62. Civics screen still crashing. Not sure how other people are playing 2.7 without hiccups?

Foul

You need to take the 2.6x civics screen and paste it over the current one. Then it works fine.

DRJ · May 7, 2009

I wonder why some people (50%?) have crashes with new civics screen, while others have not.
(The civics screen of 2.71 didn't work with my system either, so I copied old 2.62 civicscreen.py over new one)

johny smith · May 7, 2009

If you guys are using the WoC Lite stuff. There are some xml files that have to be in the main XML folder. I have not looked at copying things from the other versions.

If you just copy a non WoC version over the WoC version or vice verse I know you will have problems.

zappara · May 7, 2009

Slow progress so nothing to see here really but here you go, the latest patch notes:

Version 2.7WIPtest2:

Spoiler :

Jabarto · May 7, 2009

I like the looks of this, especially the new uses for ancient temples. Do you have any more plans for the lead resource? It has it's uses, but I think it could be expanded upon.

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