Vox Populi Congress Proposal Workshop

[CppMaster]

Maybe you should just keep your old pantheon until you have a majority of another pantheon. That way you will always have some pantheon active after founding a pantheon.

 

[CppMaster]

That's exactly how it works, until you convert the conquered city.

Not exactly. When you don't have a majority of a founded religion in your civilisation anymore, you still have benefits in cities where there is a dominant religion.

 

[azum4roll]

It sounds like you want to change how primary religion is defined and count pantheon as one. Even if it doesn't have a holy city.

 

[CppMaster]

Nah, just pantheon. Cities do have bonuses from founded religions if they have a majority on city level, regardless of majority on civilization level, which is not the case for pantheon.

 

[msw1]

That's exactly how it works, until you convert the conquered city.

No it isn't. Civilization-level benefits, like receiving science when you spread your religion with Council of Elders, or receiving faith/golden age points from conquering with Hero Worship, apply immediately after you found your religion. You don't need the majority of your cities to follow your founded religion. On the other hand, faith on kill from God of War is completely lost if conquering a city leads to the majority of your cities (or 50%) being faithless.

To be clear, I am not concerned about the conquered city not receiving the city-level benefits like +1 faith from barracks and whatnot. My issue is with the civilization-level benefits from God of War/Defense/Expansion being completely wiped out by conquering a city.

 

[azum4roll]

No it isn't. Civilization-level benefits, like receiving science when you spread your religion with Council of Elders, or receiving faith/golden age points from conquering with Hero Worship, apply immediately after you found your religion. You don't need the majority of your cities to follow your founded religion. On the other hand, faith on kill from God of War is completely lost if conquering a city leads to the majority of your cities (or 50%) being faithless.

To be clear, I am not concerned about the conquered city not receiving the city-level benefits like +1 faith from barracks and whatnot. My issue is with the civilization-level benefits from God of War/Defense/Expansion being completely wiped out by conquering a city.

They're all based on "owning the Holy City of your primary religion". But you don't have one before founding a religion, so it has to be based on majority.

If you're trying to push for a redefinition of a game concept, you should specify it more clearly. Don't try to lump pantheons and religions together.

(God of War etc. does work even if none of your cities follow your founded religion. God of the Expanse is local however and I don't know why you included it.)

 

[msw1]

Yeah I guess I mistakenly remembered God of the Expanse as disappearing as well if you dropped below the majority. I simply think that it should not be possible to effectively temporarily lose your pantheon through conquering. How that is implemented, either by making pantheons spread to conquered cities in the pre-founder stage as they do to settled cities, or by attaching the God of War/Goddess of Protection civilization-wide bonus to your capital, or some other solution, is up to the community.