VRA-01 ~ The Masters.

Actually...I think we do have that much production...Give me a sec to check...

If we tweak NY, we should be able to get one Sword every 3 turns. I suspect thier entire military consists of no more than 11 archers, and thier cities have no cultural defence, so, build 4 Swords with city raider, put an Axe in Boston and have a go while the going is easy =) (And while we cottage up and build Pyramids in capital.)

Btw, see if we can't get a Medic somehow.

Oh, any luck with the mod install Galileo?
 
Here is the error that comes up:

Windows box with CIV4W icon in the top left.
Main Bar: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library
Big red X in a circle
Runtime Error!
Program: blah/blah/blah/Civ4Warlords.exe
This application has requested the runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the application's support team for more information.

:confused:
 
how bout a look at the save before we decide?

Or did it miss it?

If we're going for the stone pointy thingy, I'd go fer metal casting, but that's not a strategic choice; I usually follow the other path, so I'm interested to see what a GE farm can do.

If we're going on the warpath, alpha, lit, etc.

BTW :thumbsup:
 
The Report:
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Axeman approaches, Settler being produced in Washington ...





Shaka expands and stealing our Stone...





Kubai expands and stealing our Horses ...





Foreign trade routes, both with Shaka and Kublai ...






New worker is ready ...






New city, additional deer ...






Kublai's horse city is a holy city ...






Library whip. Are we going for Pyramids gambit?






New york, one turn to get GreatScientist ...

 
I stole 1 turn, cause I wanted finish my plan (library whip). We can run 2 additional scientists in Washington and try GE gambit. If not, next turn will provide us with Great Scientists. Since now Washington is great whipping city, after constructing lighthouse. We can whip swords this way. My idea is to wait with expansion till we know Construction.
 

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Yes, it was that error exactly. I tried reinstalling 2.08, but It didn't change anything. I think that I will have to continue to help you guys from the sidelines until I can get it to work. I will be getting a new computer in the next few weeks, so that might solve my problems.
 
Got it.

Are we planning on whipping the Pyramids? What to do with the GS from NY? Usually, I bulb, but I'm not sure where we are on the tree and what path we're meandering down...

Will try to play tonight, most likely tomorrow
 
Hmm...sorry to hear that man. Glad to hear we'll have your input though.

What do you guys think of the following...

We're between a rock and a very hard place. Two ardent oppertunists and a madman. The only consolation is the madman is a ways away.

We don't have stone, and this is Monarch...so, I don't think anything we do would get us those Pyramids atp.

Also, making Shaka an immediate target makes no sense anymore, as no doubt has Impi has hes been able to gain Iron and Copper.

OTOH, we still have a window at our northwest. Kublai should still have not been able to produce his UU, as he has just now gained horses. Also, a two archer garrison is all that defends Turfan, and if that's what defends his borders, the rest should be easy to take. It also probably means they don't have iron hooked up yet.

So, my suggestion for a short term plan...build up our swords, 3 for Turfan and 3 for the Confu city. Meanwhile make sure Washington/New York can churn out a sword every three at the least.

As soon as you can get Alphabet, trade for Mathematics, then declare war on Kublai and capture his cities, leaving him with his capital. After you sue for peace and exhort a few techs, rush back, and we can declare war on Shaka and capture all his metal-holding cities at least - He only has two, and they both lie on our borders. Hopefully, by the that happens we'll have code of laws...and we'll be able to :whipped: courts in all our new cities. From then on... liek the idea of Monty as a vassal.

Meanwhile, cottage up Boston nad everywhere else with the exapnded workforce, and as soon as we get Lit and Maths, chop the trees around Boston and build the GL. We should settle the Great Sci we just got as an Academy there, as with the cottages, the GL, and the Academy, It will be a Scientific powerhouse!

So, for science...Alpha, Lit and Music...Pottery before Lit if you can't mangage to strike a deal with Khan that gives it to you along with Math or CoL.
 
@admiral kutzov

First you must decide what GP we need first: scientist or engineer. If the second one, take down those scientists working in New York. However this will spoil my whipping idea ...
 
Team, what you think of the plan I outlined above?

And, as for Whipping, I say nay because we can do a sword every three turns for now...

It would be nice to get an overall plan down, so we can each implement a cohesive plan.
 
Came back to read before I play. I'm not very optimistic about the Pyramids. I did have a look at the save and Shaka has hooked up iron but not copper (it is mined, but no road).

Team, what you think of the plan I outlined above?
Konquer Khan has merit. I have to go back and look at the military, but I'd probably need my set to build the troops up.

While I was looking around, I had a thought and a :beer:



How much culture is Shaka building in his border towns? If we plant where indicated, build a library, monument and get some religion, could we overwhelm his borders enough to steal the iron? We'd have to forget about the Pyramids, but it shouldn't drain any military build up.

I'll play in a few hours. Should have the save and report up around 8 or 9 tonight my time.
 
Shaka's not inclined to have culture as his priority. So, technically, the answer is yes.

That said, seeing as how he has copper, and a tundra iron possiblity easily available, we'd better not as it would also mean we share even more borders...anyway, if we're going Khan crushing atp, we'll have enough to do improving those cities well be taking, before heading back to face Shaka with a few cats.

As for the Pyramids forget them. We'll never make it. Take the GS and settle in Boston as an Academy, and spend the hammers cranking out swords instead. A small force should be good enough to blitz 'em IF we start the war next turn set, as I've observed that the computer rarely concerns itself with foritfications/culture when at war, so I think we could catch them flat footed.
 
That said, seeing as how he has copper, and a tundra iron possiblity easily available, we'd better not as it would also mean we share even more borders...anyway, if we're going Khan crushing atp, we'll have enough to do improving those cities well be taking, before heading back to face Shaka with a few cats.

As for the Pyramids forget them. We'll never make it. Take the GS and settle in Boston as an Academy, and spend the hammers cranking out swords instead. A small force should be good enough to blitz 'em IF we start the war next turn set, as I've observed that the computer rarely concerns itself with foritfications/culture when at war, so I think we could catch them flat footed.

I actually played before I read this. Shaka's got libraries in his border towns. :eek: No Bunker in the Hills. I forgettabouted the Pyramids. If the following is too strange, let me know and I'll do a normal report.

The report:

Once upon a time there was an idiot. He found a warrior between Nobamba and uMgungunlovu. The warrior got out into the nether region between the cities and cut a road. There was another warrior; he decided to go for a walk in the Khanate. There was lots of horse dung.

Meanwhile, Antoine Laurent Lavoiser was born and scurried off to Boston for tea, baked beans and some red socks.

The people of New York decided that life on this hill was too mellow and built a barracks so they could train men to go out and riot. They could give these men pointy sticks in case men on ponies proved difficult.

Like a plague, Hinduism spread in Nobamba. Recognizing his inevitable fate, Shaka adopted Hinduism.

The eastern idiot cut another road between Nobamba and uMgungunlovu. Antoine built the Mass. Academy of Technology.

What's an Admiral without a navy? Recognizing the lack of boats, the Philadelphia Naval Yard began construction of Old Iron Oars. Maybe if we were Byzantine, it could belch fire or something?

The smart people finally learn how to write things down for prosperity. Unfortunately, our neighbors declined to share their counting skills for our new trick. Phillistines. The intelligencia decided that we're a bunch of non kultarny baboons; just to mess with them and shut them up, we learned how to throw strange clay vessels on a spinning disc. Then the intelligencia complained that they couldn't comment on whose clay vessels were more meaningful. The geek squad was put to work on learning how to write down their overly verbose commentary. Who really cares to memorialize the saga of the king's men and Humpty, the clay pot they couldn't put together?

Washington's citzens noticed the New Yorkers doing the training thingy with the pointy stick people. They immediately formed a commitee to study the problem. The committee decided to form plow shares into big knives and send them out to party on the Khanate's borders.


After cutting roads in Shaka's nether regions, Shaka borders grew, so the warrior decided to investigate the rumors of ice wines to the south.


Meanwhile, the Philadelphia Naval Yard diverged from construction of a boat for the admiral to build an axe. This was in response to rumors of Sasquatch wandering around the SW.

The idiot forgot about the workers. Left unsupervised, the workers decided to deforest Boston. One worker deforests faster than the other, being done in 2. the other will be done in three.

The idiot couldn't remember if we was to play 10 or 15 so 15 was played. The were no major disasters, just some idiocy. Shaka is our brother of the faith. We care deeply for him or some such touchy feely emotion. Khan looks pretty weak. He's got that horse farm in his capital so we'll need a few pointy stick guys. Swords are still gathering on his border. Only whipped once in Washington.

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Sorry for the double post. My thoughts on war are to defend NY and run thru Turfan to the iron. Then regroup and plan moe.
 
Okay...a few things that desperately need fixing.

Why is NY running two specialists when were trying to run a war?! Please reassign so Swords come down to 3 turn production.

We need cottages. Our economy is not existant, no cottages anywhere...

So, I'm proposing the following...

Trade Alpha to Monty for Math.
Trade Alpha to Khan for Archery/Monotheism/Priesthood.
Adjust sci rate to finish Lit in 1 turn.

Stop workers chopping TILL you set Boston to the GL wonder.
Then go chop happy and clear cut everything in sight (six forests in radius, and plunk down cottages on grass and mines on hills, the mines are a priority...)

As for the war, Kublai is severely under armed, so, after assembling perhaps a Sword/Axe pair to go after the Confu Holy City, declare war and strike quickly. We can do a 6 Sword/10 turn production, so we'll be able to carry it off I'm sure.

How does this sound?
 
Why is NY running two specialists when were trying to run a war?! Please reassign so Swords come down to 3 turn production.
NY is running scientists to get Lit in 1 IIRC. then they can reassign to production.
Stop workers chopping TILL you set Boston to the GL wonder.
Then go chop happy and clear cut everything in sight (six forests in radius, and plunk down cottages on grass and mines on hills, the mines are a priority...)
Lit comes in 1 turn. The chops complete in 2 and 3 turns respectively so that Boston will be working the GL at that time.
Trade Alpha to Monty for Math.
Trade Alpha to Khan for Archery/Monotheism/Priesthood.
Adjust sci rate to finish Lit in 1 turn.
Nobody would trade math last time I checked. Monty may have just learned it. I thought I did have Lit due to finish in 1 :confused:

EDIT: Boston is working 2 forest grasslands. Change to river grasslands and lit comes in 1 without adjusting the science rate. the save should make more sense from that perspective. i idiotically moved the citizens around before I saved.

EDIT2 There is a warrior on Khan's iron ready to run up the road and scout the holy city. There are 4 swords near turfan
 
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