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Wacky powerful barbarians?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - MOO2Civ' started by clearbeard, Jul 29, 2009.

  1. Agent327

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    A very good point (or two), but there's an additional problem: the AI only seems to use missiles if they're nukes - and that's not FF specific.

    You're also right about the AI not upgrading starbases; I'm not sure if that's simply a matter of calculating whether it's cheaper to rebuild one after destruction. To be true, I've hardly ever seen a starbase get attacked; the main targets seem just to be star systems (which is a bit obvious as that's what counts in the end). Personally I only upgrade starbases if a) I can afford it and b) stronger spaceships appear in the game (whether barbs or regular AI). As far as I can tell, the main AI reason to build a base is to get at resources and to rely on ships for attack/defense of systems.

    Perhaps with reduced fighter/bomber ranges the AI will use starbases as intended?
     
  2. fulano

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    Didn't they include non-nuke missiles in BTS? Maybe I'm thinking of the Thomas War mod. I haven't played vanilla BTS in many months. I guess I can't remember seeing the AI use missiles. That's unfortunate. I wish I understood the AI more, I'd love to be able to fix it.

    I never attack starbases unless they are close enough to a star to get in the way.

    Starbases did have PD weapons that were great for taking out incoming missiles and fighters in MOO2. I could see a fighter intercept chance (like 25% - 50% or so) being a good addition to starbases.

    If you do make changes to units and such I'd love an updated copy of the XML file so when I get around to editing them the changes won't have to be made again.
     
  3. Agent327

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    Indeed. So why should the AI act differently?

    Actually, starbases can get promotions (I'm not sure if they do not have an intercept chance already), but since they're very rarely attacked, you can just as rarely make use of those.

    Sure, no problem. (Although I don't know if the next "patch" will contain any unit changes just yet. I want to limit fighter/bomber range, but don't know if I'll get around to it for the next update.)
     
  4. God-Emperor

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    There is a slight problem with that: Unless you have changed it in the DLL, you can't use a promotion that increases the interception chance with a unit that does not already have an interception chance. If you have two units of the same unitcombat, with one having an interception chance and the other not, and a promotion that gives an increase to interception set to be available for units of that unitcombat then only the one that already has the interception chance can use that promotion. This is why SAM Infantry can take the interception increasing promotions but the regular Infantry can't even through they are both UNITCOMBAT_GUN and the promotion PROMOTION_INTERCEPTION1 is available to UNITCOMBAT_GUN.

    This is the same as not being able to use a promotion that increases collateral damage on a unit that does not already do collateral damage (as of 3.19, anyway) .

    Interestingly, a unit that does not have a withdrawal chance can use a promotion that gives a withdrawal chance with one exception: a unit that is flagged as defend only (bOnlyDefensive set to 1) can not use a promotion that gives a withdrawal chance even if it already has one.

    These apply to promotions that do multiple things. If you have a promotion that gives an extra first strike and an interception increase, a unit that does not have any interception chance can't take it.
     
  5. Agent327

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    That makes perfect sense. I checked the available promotions for starbases and they do include a +25% strength promotion against fighters, but, as said, starbases rarely get promoted as is. (Obviously this can be changed.)
     

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