War on Terrorism!

[Tahuti]

I've got an idea to make an Modern Combat mod now its possible! Anyone interested?

I do have very basic modding knowledge and I now how to make civ's my own and a few units.

Note: Keep political discussions out plz!

Scope will be 1991-2020

Nations:
America - Navy Seal and M1 Abrams - George Bush Sr.
Great Britain - SAS commando and Challenger II - Tony Blair
Israel - Merkava Mk.II and Mossad Agent - Yitzak Rabin
Russia - T90 and Security Troops - Boris Jeltsin (Likely I will avoid Putin)
Iraq - SCUD Missile and National Guard - Saddam Hussein
Iran - SCUD Missile and T90 - Ali Khamenei
China - Red Guard and T90 - Hu-Jin Tau
Others could be also India, Pakistan, Japan, North-Korea and Turkey

Religions (For a mod like this, religion is a must) ofcourse no bonusus to avoid that were accidently stereotyping one, also, the Islam is split to reflect the differinces between Sunism and Sjiïtism:
Christianity
Sunism
Sjiïtism
Judaïsm
Hinduïsm
Buddism

Civics:
Government: Police State - Universal Suffrage - Representation
Labor: Emancipation - Collectivism - Labor Union
Legal: Nationhood - Free Speech - Bureaucracy
Religion: Theocracy - Free Religion - Paganism/Atheïsm (No-State Religion: No spread of Religion, 20% Science)
Economy: Captalism - Socialism - Environmentalism

 

[AlexTG]

I like this idea - but i think it should start earlier, at the iraq-iran war or maybe even the creation of israel. France should also be a part of this. And of course there needs to be a terrorist unit as well as resistance fighters and whatnot.

 

[Leonel]

Sounds good! Especially the religion idea! But how will you simulate Suni attacks on Sjiit's if both are in cities belonging to one country?

 

[Tahuti]

Likely I wont simulate this, that would be, way to controversial. But yet one united Islam religion would be pointless in this case. Better would be, that Sunni nations will attack Sjiïte nations to "liberate" the Sunni's there and reversed.

 

[dh_epic]

What does Iraq have to do with the war on terrorism?

Isn't Al Qaeda in Afghanistan?
Doesn't Osama Bin Laden hail from Saudi Arabia?
Isn't Iran the Islamo-Fascist state?

Even so, isn't invading Iraq the easy part?

 

[Silica_Pathways]

I think u should add Afghanistan's talebans

 

[Tahuti]

What does Iraq have to do with the war on terrorism?

Isn't Al Qaeda in Afghanistan?
Doesn't Osama Bin Laden hail from Saudi Arabia?
Isn't Iran the Islamo-Fascist state?

Even so, isn't invading Iraq the easy part?

Its suits in the scope (1991-2020), Iraq is an must for both gulf-wars.

And Iran ain't Islamo-Fascist, its Theocratic but it isnt Fascist; Fascism is totalarian capitalism and Iran is somewhat Totalarian Theocracy (Between Socialism and Captalism maybe). Iraq was also a Muslim theocracy, but its slightly more alligned to Fascism (thus Islamo-Fascist). But lets stop with that discussions before it leads to nation-bashing.

Afghanistan and France are also in my mind, they are very likely!

 

[Wyz_sub10]

What does Iraq have to do with the war on terrorism?

Don't you know that WMDs may have possibly existed in some basic form at some unidentified point in time, perhaps?

If you don't, then the terrorists win!

Isn't Al Qaeda in Afghanistan?

Apparently Al Qaeda is everywhere. Why, they could even be hidding under your bed (in the old floorboards that the pinko commies used to use in the 50s). That's why it's necessary to have access to your library records.

Come to think of it, these questions sound a lot like something someone in Al Qaeda would ask....hmmmmm....

Doesn't Osama Bin Laden hail from Saudi Arabia?

Are you trying to besmirch the good name of the Bin Ladens?? Why, I'm appalled. Appalled, I tell you!

Isn't Iran the Islamo-Fascist state?

Lots of countries are more Islamo-Facist than Iraq. But hey, let's not get bogged down in the details. There is a war to be won! (or was that Mission Accomplished already?)

What was I saying? Oh yeah...why do you hate America?

Even so, isn't invading Iraq the easy part?

Invading is always the easy part. Leaving, well, that's a different story...

(okay...enough political satirzing from me...interesting idea for a mod, but methinks you'll get 20 people with 21 different opinions on it)

 

[Tunch Khan]

Iraq was also a Muslim theocracy, but its slightly more alligned to Fascism (thus Islamo-Fascist).

Iraq has never in it's history been a Theocracy. It has been a British colony, then a puppet secular monarchy, a military junta and a Baathist dictatirship. Islamic Sheria law has never been a part of Iraqi law or constitution until today.
Today, according to the recently voted constitution enforced by US invasion; Iraq is a Shiite Theocratic Islamic Federation with a Kurdish fellow as it's president.

 

[Tahuti]

Thx, Your knowledge brought alot forward! Ain't Baathism (Practiced by the Baa'ath Party) actually a mixture between Theocracy, Fascism and Socialism while none of them are actually dominant?

 

[dh_epic]

Its suits in the scope (1991-2020), Iraq is an must for both gulf-wars.

The gulf war is totally seperate from the war on terror. This would be like having a scenario called "the korean war", and having it start in World War 2.

And Iran ain't Islamo-Fascist, its Theocratic but it isnt Fascist;

Islamo-Fascism isn't Fascism. But I understand it's a vague term. Let's use a different name. Islamic Fundamentalism.

Iraq was also a Muslim theocracy,

Iraq under Saddam Hussein wasn't a Muslim Theocracy. It was a secular state. As opposed to being founded on the premise of Islamic Fundamentalism, it was founded on the premise of Arab Nationalism. They kept religion largely out of civic life (at least, to the degree that America does). This is one of the dividing forces in the middle east: Secular Arab Nationalism versus Theocratic Islam.

The new Iraq is a Muslim Theocracy. Islamic Laws are now written into their constitution.

 

[Tahuti]

Well, youre right. I will call it Modern Combat Mod from now on.

 

[Gulio]

Can you play as Iraq invading the US to destroy their WMD and their facist government?

Sorry to be opposite of popular belief... but the way the AMericans think is 100% opposite from the way Europe and Asia think.

So in their minds Iraq could be a good guy and USA the bad.


So that option must be open as well

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I want to see how USA will lie to UN

 

[Tunch Khan]

Thx, Your knowledge brought alot forward! Ain't Baathism (Practiced by the Baa'ath Party) actually a mixture between Theocracy, Fascism and Socialism while none of them are actually dominant?

Fascism and Socialism yes, but what part of Thoecracy you think was being practiced in Iraq? But anyway, i don't see a reason we should discuss it here.

 

[dh_epic]

Modern combat could be cool. But a lot of combat is between superpowers and smaller states who are technically inferior.

The goal of the superpower is no longer to conquer but to reshape the society. And the goal of the small state is not to win but to outlast the superpower until it costs them too much and their economy suffers.

If modern combat were like ancient combat, then the USA would literally just walk through Iraq, kill everyone, and unapologetically call it their new vacation ground. You can't forget the role of the UN and the declaration of human rights. Razing, genocide, and random conquest are just simply not tolerated anymore.

 

[Tahuti]

Well, I certainly will do balancing measures in that case.(Just they did in the Desert war Scenario) Maybe possible scenarios that pretend for example that Turkey doesnt allow US troops to pass, causing them need to invade from the Persian Gulf and Kuwait. Besides, youre supposed try changing history after all!

 

[panzooka]

whats up with red guard for china? those dont really exist today, and they are not infantry, or anything like that, most of them are university students

 

[Tahuti]

Well, what I should call them then? Shock Infantry, perhaps Chinese Shock Infantry?

 

[Tahuti]

Here is a taste of the civics system that will feature in the mod!

Discuss!