War stories from YOUR ancient relatives

My grand father fought during WW2. He was captured by the germans but managed to escape with a few other prisoners. He notably fought in Italy.

My uncle fought during the Algerian war of independance against the french. He was putting mines in front of the french camp, shot in the air and waited for the french troops to get trapped.
 
Similar tactics to this used by Afghan / "Taliban" resistance against US / NATO occupation nowadays. IEDs and such.

Yes. That's on of the most commonly used strategy for guerrilla warfare.
 
Sorry for the super late respond, but my semester is winding down which means I've actually got to do all that work I've been putting off. :crazyeye:

I think he just confused this unimportant detail, and that in reality it was MIA not KIA.

Yea no. I'm not an idiot and I would like to think I know the damn difference between MIA and KIA. This thread is called "War Stories" of relatives. War stories almost by definition are going to wrong or exaggerated in some way. These stories are related to by people who weren't there, and most probably don't have very good knowledge of the time period to begin with. I was relating a story that my own grandmother told me about her husband, not giving an academic thesis on the Third Infantry division in 1943. Was she wrong about some aspects, almost centennially as is much of the information that has been posted on this thread so far for reasons I've already stated. However two things come to mind after reading your post:

1) I trust my non-historian grandmother's knowledge of the situation over yours because she has first-hand knowledge of the people and at least one of the organizations involved and you don't.

2) Spewing out a bunch of factoids about German and Japanese administrative policies doesn't really mean a hill of beans when talking about American or Allied bookkeeping practices. Its like info about Harold Godwinson's field kitchen before the battle of Hastings when trying to talk about the snack that the famous Norseman in Harald Hardrada's army had before the battle of Stamford Bridge.

I had some relatives in Tennessee who fought for the Union.

I feel so sorry for you...

An unconfirmed Relative from England died in Jerusalem in the 13th century, I am assuming on Crusade.

Man, if you could go back and find more info on an ancestor that fought in the Ninth Crusade that would be awesome!
 
I'm reasonably sure the same thing that happened to Gen.Mannerheim's grandfather happened to my great uncle. He was listed as KIA, despite being MIA, because someone, and nobody was sure who, said they might have seen a body. He reappeared two days later, having been separated from his unit with a few other guys and an officer. Unfortunately, the message had already been passed down the line and there was some kind of race against the clock to stop the telegraph being sent.
 
Well, maybe indeed you are right and the Americans had different administrative policies than the Germans regarding KIAs and MIAs (actually I have read that even the USMC and the US Army had different administrative policy when it comes to reporting WIA casualties - "definition" of a Wounded In Action was slightly different in the USMC than in the US Army, and as the result the USMC usually reported more wounded per each killed than the US Army).

It can be confusing because some historian might take a look on these figures and say: "What the heck, why did the US Marines always have a higher percentage of wounded among their casualties than the US Army? Oh, maybe the Marines were better in hiding from enemy fire?!". And this is wrong - the explanation is much more trivial - different administrative policies, different methods of judging who is "wounded" and who is just "contused" or "injured" (less serious "damage").

I only wrote what I know that was the case in the German army.

And if you aren't satisfied with the Poland 1939 example given above, then let's take a look on casualty data from the Western Campaign of 1940.

In July 1940 (so one month after the end of the campaign) Germans reported casualties of the entire Wehrmacht (I think that these are numbers for the entire Wehrmacht, not just for ground forces) in the Western Campaign as 27,074 dead and 18,384 missing (in total 45,458).

By comparison a report compiled 4 years later - in 1944 - gives revised casualty figures from this campaign - and they are 45,429 dead and 630 still missing for Heer (ground forces) alone. Add to this 3,756 dead or missing in Luftwaffe and 289 dead or missing in Kriegsmarine. In total around 50,000.

So as you can see not only vast majority of those reported missing one month after the campaign (July 1940) were later revised as in fact dead guys (no surprise, considering that in July there were already no German POWs in French captivity), but also the overall number of casualties increased (perhaps due to incompleteness or inaccuracy of those early reports, as well as probably due to the fact that some of the wounded died of their wounds later).

The same happened in case of casualty reports from Poland 1939, as I already wrote before. All in all in Westfeldzug 1940 Germans lost ca. 50,000 dead (including 4,000 from Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine), while in the Polenfeldzug 1939 - ca. 20,000 dead. In fact I prefer such "round" numbers, because exact numbers are never completely accurate, so there is no reason to cite them and create the impression of total accuracy where there is no total accuracy.

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Another interesting case to show you how important is the context when you want to draw conclusions from casualty figures.

During the last months of combats in Tunisia in WW2, Germans and Italians reported the following casualties:

- 0 (zero) KIA
- 5,000 WIA
- 180,000 MIA

This was due to the fact that this month ended with destruction / capitulation of the Axis forces in Africa.

Those 5,000 WIAs, are only those WIAs, who were evacuated from Africa via the Mediterranean Sea. No KIAs were reported as you can see.

On the other hand, among the 180,000 MIAs are many wounded guys (who got captured by the Allies), as well as many dead (KIA) guys.

Majority of the MIAs are, however, captured POWs, because the Axis forces in Tunisia surrendered en masse during that month.
 
Father fought in the Bosnian war '92-'95, Great grandpa was a collaborator and his brothers served either with the Handschar SS or Ustashe (not sure which).
 
According to my great uncle's story (who served in 69th Infantry Regiment of 17th Infantry Division), he survived by hiding in an empty trunk of a tree after his unit was destroyed by Germans in the Kampinos Forest in late September 1939. Before that he fought in the battle of Bzura, later his regiment / division were breaking through the Kampinos towards Warsaw. So I suppose that my great uncle fought in what was later called the battle of Łomianki 21 - 22.09.39.

Here is the map showing combats and marches of 69th Infantry Regiment in September 1939:

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My grandfather, who fought in South-East Poland, was wounded in combat. He was injured / wounded in his hand by artillery or grenade splinters. He was then sent to Polish field hospital where his wound was dressed - but it was done ad hoc, because Polish units were short on supplies of everything. Later he was captured by Soviet forces, but very soon after that he escaped from captivity (when they were marching across a potato field) and joined back to Polish units. Finally, he got to German captivity when his unit surrendered. He said that he owed the fact that his hand remained able-bodied due to medical care in German captivity.

He also described one case when he was sent on patrol together with some other soldiers. They arrived in some village inhabited by Ukrainians. The village was totally empty. Later they found out that inhabitants were hiding in a dugout under a barn. I think that he could be captured by Soviet forces during that patrol duty, but I'm not sure about this. I'm also not 100% sure in which unit he served, but he said he received a mobilization call to the town of Zamość.
 
My ancient ancestors were raping, pillaging, and generally being barbaric in Northern Europe. And then we were Catholics... MORE BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
 
British?
 
The British did that even after conversion.
 
Before the 20th century there is very little about my family. Although I've been told one of my ancestors was Danish who "discovered America" before Columbus. Yeah, i am very sceptical of that claim :lol:.

Paternal grandfather fought in World War 2 for the allies, he was Canadian - all i know is: he survived it.
My other grandfather was in the Hitler Youth at the time; he later married a woman whose brother fought on the Eastern front, who was later wounded and then murdered in his hospital bed by Russian troops (the hospital wasn't declared a sanctuary for wounded soldiers and the vulnerable, which could have saved his life). That was my great-uncle i guess..?

Prior to that I think my ancestors were simply European peasant folk.

Great thread by the way, I've only gotten through teh first page. Will read the rest tommorow :)
 
I feel so sorry for you...

They didn't stay in Tennessee very long, I think they moved to California.

Man, if you could go back and find more info on an ancestor that fought in the Ninth Crusade that would be awesome!

All the information I have on him is where and when he was born, where and when he died, and his title of nobility. I wish I knew more.
 
They didn't stay in Tennessee very long, I think they moved to California.

Well, if they were from east Tennessee they probably wouldn't have had a big problem as the old Whig part of the state were pretty strong pro-unionists. Its kinda funny to see people from east Tennessee and especially Knoxville flying rebel flags and stuff today, they completely forget what side of the war they were on.

All the information I have on him is where and when he was born, where and when he died, and his title of nobility. I wish I knew more.

There's probably a good chance that he might have died on pilgrimage instead of crusade. After the 9th Crusade a 10 year, 10 month, 10 day peace was signed at the end of it would have made this possible.
 
Well, if they were from east Tennessee they probably wouldn't have had a big problem as the old Whig part of the state were pretty strong pro-unionists. Its kinda funny to see people from east Tennessee and especially Knoxville flying rebel flags and stuff today, they completely forget what side of the war they were on.

It's the same in parts of Kentucky, we were invaded and briefly occupied. It's been said that Kentucky joined the Confederacy after the Civil War.

There's probably a good chance that he might have died on pilgrimage instead of crusade. After the 9th Crusade a 10 year, 10 month, 10 day peace was signed at the end of it would have made this possible.

I would need to find the year of his death. I have no idea where to find it, my dad was the one who found it by digging very deep on ancestry.com.
 
CELTICEMPIRE said:
The British everywhere except Northern Europe.

Wrong. See: Ireland.
 
My ancient ancestors were raping, pillaging, and generally being barbaric in Northern Europe. And then we were Catholics... MORE BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

Interestingly, my French line descends from an area of France that was heavily inhabited by Vikings.
 
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