Was Jesus gay?

[Formaldehyde]

And I do have an argument and have provided plenty to support my assertion, because my assertion is "don't blindly believe everything you read on wikipedia". Just pointing out the sources of all those citations should be enough to show why that's a bad thing to do.

Yes. Demanding that facts be corroborated by a footnote to a reliable source is just so evil.

But you are also correct that the footnotes should be examined to determine their source. There are many "contributors" to wiki who wish to use it to further their own agenda. This is particularly true with anything to do with religious beliefs.

 

[timtofly]

Let's just assume that you can "love" without thinking of buggering everything you "love". Like your mother, for instance. Whom one can love even if one were gay.

Then let me ask again: With everything else staying the same - If Jesus was indeed gay, how would that change anything for you and your faith?

That would depend on a strict definition of gay would it not?

 

[Birdjaguar]

There is very little (if any) actual evidence, in the courtroom sense, for the existence of Jesus. But the most compelling evidence the he was in deed an actual person is Christianity.

 

[Masada]

Having looked at the citations they seem to be pretty much exclusively from theologians and biblical scholars, not historians. If a biblical scholar or theologian tells me that that most historians believe Christ existed, then I have as much reason to take that on faith is if cigarette manufacturer told me that most Doctors agreed that tobacco doesn't cause cancer. My question would be - "If the vast majority of historians are convinced Christ was a real historical figure, then why the dearth of citations from historians on the page asserting this?"

New Testament scholars are historians of a particular set of texts.

If the vast majority of claims about Socrates revolved around him performing miracles, hanging out with Angels, and raising himself from the dead (whilst also being the embodiment of the one true God), then I might well have some doubts about him being real. And if the only sources of information about him were from people who woshipped him blindly, I'd be slightly suspicious too. If you take all that away and say "oh none of that stuff was actually real" then there wouldn't be much left to judge him on either way.

Plutarch records that Olympias and Phillip both had prophetic dreams around the time they conceived Alexander the Great and that one possible interpretation was that Alexander was the son of Zeus. Does this mean Alexander was not a real person?

 

[ParkCungHee]

This is why I don't believe Kim Il-Sung existed. Or Chairman Mao. Pretty much all of Asia is made up.

 

[Narz]

But in general women seem to be more compassionate than men. There seem to be far fewer women who are not very compassionate compared to men. That this may very well be at least partly due to an excess of testosterone in many cases.

Would you actually disagree with that?

Absolutely I'd disagree with that.

Men are more likely to be sociopaths but on the whole it's been my experience that men are at least as compassionate/generous as women.

Maybe there are some warm earth-mother types out there who just love to nurture, I have yet to meet many of them.

My ex & her mother & sister are among the least compassionate human beings I've met. Likewise my dad, while extremely repressed was probably more compassionate than my mom. I deal with a lot of little kids thru teaching & my daughter & I don't notice girls being particularly more kind than boys. Maybe more interested in social dynamics but not necessarily nicer. The whole "sugar & spice & everything nice" is purely myth. I've dated enough women to know that.

This is just my experience of course. I think it may be, in part, a regional thing. I find women in NYC area very cold & aloof. Maybe a self-protection device, lest their kindness be mistaken for weakness. Men can more afford to be kind perhaps & not worry about getting taken advantage of.

More women also attend church regularly than men do. Coincidence, or what?

Going to church & compassion don't necessarily go together. Look at the politics of the Bible belt. Women are probably, on average, more interested in social bonding & the church seems like a safe place for that (unless you're an alter boy).

 

[Masada]

This is why I don't believe Kim Il-Sung existed. Or Chairman Mao. Pretty much all of Asia is made up.

I don't exist!

 

[ParkCungHee]

That's OK, I don't either.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Compare Jesus to Buddha, Muhammad, Huitzilopochtli, Moses, Akhenaten or Luther.

But certainly not to Santa Claus.

That was a joke.

Also, as far as I believe, Luther wasn't a magical entity who made miracles and raised dead. He was just rather disgruntled from the corruption of the Catholic church (and didnt want to pay taxes).

 

[Zack]

That was a joke.

Also, as far as I believe, Luther wasn't a magical entity who made miracles and raised dead. He was just rather disgruntled from the corruption of the Catholic church (and didnt want to pay taxes).

I think he meant Lex Luthor.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Also, as far as I believe, Luther wasn't a magical entity who made miracles and raised dead. He was just rather disgruntled from the corruption of the Catholic church (and didnt want to pay taxes).

I don't believe in Luther. His whole story is based on a fabulous church which transubstantiates bread into the flesh of god, witnesses regular miracles, and follows the teachings of someone who didn't exist, as written by people who didn't exist.

On top of that, every book I've seen addressing the existence or non-existence of Martin Luther has been written either by either a theologian, early modern historian, or biographer of Martin Luther. That seems pretty shady to me.

 

[gay_Aleks]

He's a scientist-businessman-turned-supervillian.

And he's probably Polish. Does that makes him super-supervillian in CFC?

 

[Zack]

His whole story is based on a fabulous church

A fabulous church worshiping a fabulous man.

 

[Masada]

On top of that, every book I've seen addressing the existence or non-existence of Martin Luther has been written either by either a theologian, early modern historian, or biographer of Martin Luther. That seems pretty shady to me.

To make matters worse, they just assume he's a real person without any evidentiary basis for the claim whatsoever.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I'm just gonna leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaCgrRVW1Gs

 

[BirraImperial]

Jesus wasn't gay. He was attracted to Mary Magdalene and even some scripts taken off the Bible suggest that they got married at some point. If he was indeed gay, it would sort of destroy all of Christianity, because the religion was partially based on the gay being heretical and sinful.

 

[Masada]

Is this one of the Christian scripts?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Classical, your sentence split in two.

Considering that Jesus is sinless and that homosexuality is a sin, it would destroy the whole story

but as I said before Westerners have this strange idea that love equals sex.

Don't you have the strange idea that homosexuality equals buttseks? It would seem so judging by your claim: "homosexuality is a sin".

Let he who is not in a glass house throw the first stone and all that.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I mean if Jesus is gay because he spent a lot of time mostly men, then what does it say about this forum?

Since most come here to intellectualy masturbate that would make me an internet gay porn addict ...

 

[timtofly]

There is no sin, humans evolved before sin happened. If you just view sin as a religious invention, you also destroy any form of human government as just another religious invention. We should not put our trust in government, but every one should own a weapon and make their own way through life defending their own lustful experiences and to death with the rest of mankind. Survival of the one who can get their own way.