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~~Weltpolitik I~~
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To: France, Portugal and Brazil
From: Argentina
We beg of you to continue your demands against the Spanish, and assist us as much as possible.
To: Mexico
From: Argentina
any form of assistance against the Spanish is nessicary. Isn't one's right to govern themselves entirely what your nation is founded on?
To: Any other Power
From: Argentina
We ask the civilized nations of the world make diplomatic sanctions or even take military action against the evil Spanish.
To: Ukraine
From: Argentina
We send our congratulations on your victories against the Russians.
From: Argentina
We beg of you to continue your demands against the Spanish, and assist us as much as possible.
To: Mexico
From: Argentina
any form of assistance against the Spanish is nessicary. Isn't one's right to govern themselves entirely what your nation is founded on?
To: Any other Power
From: Argentina
We ask the civilized nations of the world make diplomatic sanctions or even take military action against the evil Spanish.
To: Ukraine
From: Argentina
We send our congratulations on your victories against the Russians.
From the Southern German Confederation
To Ukraine
Your actions are cowardly and uncalled for. We are cutting off all ties with the nation of Ukraine.
We will wait to hear from our Northern Counterparts before we make any statements about the war in Russia.
From Southern German Confederation
To Russia
We will discuss with our allies to the North over how to help your regime. We send our moral support at this time.
From Southern German Confederation
To Argentina
We will stay neutral over the conflict in South America as it has nothing to do with our affairs.
To Ukraine
Your actions are cowardly and uncalled for. We are cutting off all ties with the nation of Ukraine.
We will wait to hear from our Northern Counterparts before we make any statements about the war in Russia.
From Southern German Confederation
To Russia
We will discuss with our allies to the North over how to help your regime. We send our moral support at this time.
From Southern German Confederation
To Argentina
We will stay neutral over the conflict in South America as it has nothing to do with our affairs.
Icmancin
WSNR Pte
To South Germans
From Russia
We have a NAP with Prussia. Russia will regain our lands and eradicate the Ukrainian nation from the map. The odds are 50-10. Sadly we have seen how far these cretins have advanced. The Russian military will be revamped after this war.
From Russia
We have a NAP with Prussia. Russia will regain our lands and eradicate the Ukrainian nation from the map. The odds are 50-10. Sadly we have seen how far these cretins have advanced. The Russian military will be revamped after this war.
das
Regeneration In Process
From: Spain
To: Argentina
Surrender yet, or do you really hate the people of the Viceroyalty of de la Plata so much as to keep throwing them on our positions in a doomed struggle?
To: Argentina
Surrender yet, or do you really hate the people of the Viceroyalty of de la Plata so much as to keep throwing them on our positions in a doomed struggle?
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
The Ottoman Empire will remain neutral in the Ukraine-Russia conflict
To: France
From: Argentina
We hope you realize this isn't simply a matter of "letting Spain have South America". If the Spanish find that they can just march into any nation, whats to keep them from annexing French colonies in Asia, or Africa, or even attacking France itself! The Spanish must gain respect for the rights of a civilized nation!
From: Argentina
We hope you realize this isn't simply a matter of "letting Spain have South America". If the Spanish find that they can just march into any nation, whats to keep them from annexing French colonies in Asia, or Africa, or even attacking France itself! The Spanish must gain respect for the rights of a civilized nation!
Story Time! Tell me if I am "playing God" too much, as I normally don't post stories. If I am, just use it as an interesting read, and ignore any effects it could have on the actual NES.
Hiding in a cave below the cities of Argentina, Miguel found himself wondering, what had gone wrong? Miguel was personal aid to his idol President of Argentina, Juan Manuel de Rosas and had met the Caudillo when he was only 14 years old at a wedding ceremony. Miguel instantly adored Rosas's charisma power, and way with wemon, and eventually got a job working for him. With Miguel's exceptional organization skills, it wasn't long before he had the spot as personal aid to the President.
At first, things looked good for Argentina, which meant things looked good for Rosas, which intern meant the future was bright for Miguel, who had by this time realized if he played his cards right, could eventually become Rosas's successor and president of the Argentine Confederation. But that all seemed like a complete dream now. The Spanish had returned and were winning amazing victories.
Miguel was too young to remember the harsh orpession of the Spanish, but had heard stories and was as determined to push them out as every other Argentine. Miguel had convinced Rosas to allow him personally commanded troops at the disasterous Battle of Bahia Blanca, and despite there being nothing he could have done to save the situation, felt much responsiblity for defeat.
Miguel was convinced that Argentina needed to revamp military leadership to defeat the Spanish and to accomplish this, one name kept coming to his mind, a War of Independance leader, and liberal, General José Maria Paz. General Paz had been a prisoner for some time now, and the mere thought of releasing him would likley have Miguel branded a traitor. But these were deperate times, and Miguel knew there was one thing that both Rosas and Paz had in common, and that was their love for Argentina. Miguel decided it was time to stop being a yes man to his idol, and for the good of his country risk his position. He was going to suggest to Rosas, pardoning General Paz in order for him to lead the Argentinian army.
When Miguel arrived at Rosas' headquarter, approximatly 9 meters below the central square in Beunos Aires, he was greeted to come in. Rosas was almost always happy to have a surpise visit from his "star pupil", espeically in times like these. Miguel decided he didn't want to waste time on "small talk" and immdietly came out with his suggestion to free General Paz. Rosas's forhead scrunched, and his eyes became smaller. Migeul know this look all too well. It was the Rosas's look when he just found out he had been betrayed. Rosas's grabbed a book from his desk and tossed it at Miguel, who just happend to dodge it. Rosas rose from his seat and Migue knew he was about to have his guards called to make an arrest. Miguel suddenly blurted, partially to his own surpise "Although once you were my idol, I can now see the truth. You care nothing for Argentina, nothing for it's land, it's culture, or it's people. Only Yourself. Perhaps you are no diffrent then the Spanish dogs!"
Something then happend to Rosas, his face unscrunched his eyes grew large, and he sat back down. Rosas knew he wasn't a good man. He knew he was a lier, a thief, and a womanizer, and all it can be guessed is that he decided that if he was going to die, he didn't want to do it as a coward, or for his own glory, and certianly not for the Spanish, he decided should he meet his death during war, it should be for his people. Rosas decided he would free General Paz, and with him form a coalition goverment to drive out the Spanish. He decided there shouldn't be Liberals or Conservatives. Only Argentinians. Wheather this would be enough to effect the tide of war remained to be seen as large parts of the Argentinian goverment and military were still horribly divided and corrupt. Regardless of doubts, Rosas and Miguel proceeded to walk to the prison.
Hiding in a cave below the cities of Argentina, Miguel found himself wondering, what had gone wrong? Miguel was personal aid to his idol President of Argentina, Juan Manuel de Rosas and had met the Caudillo when he was only 14 years old at a wedding ceremony. Miguel instantly adored Rosas's charisma power, and way with wemon, and eventually got a job working for him. With Miguel's exceptional organization skills, it wasn't long before he had the spot as personal aid to the President.
At first, things looked good for Argentina, which meant things looked good for Rosas, which intern meant the future was bright for Miguel, who had by this time realized if he played his cards right, could eventually become Rosas's successor and president of the Argentine Confederation. But that all seemed like a complete dream now. The Spanish had returned and were winning amazing victories.
Miguel was too young to remember the harsh orpession of the Spanish, but had heard stories and was as determined to push them out as every other Argentine. Miguel had convinced Rosas to allow him personally commanded troops at the disasterous Battle of Bahia Blanca, and despite there being nothing he could have done to save the situation, felt much responsiblity for defeat.
Miguel was convinced that Argentina needed to revamp military leadership to defeat the Spanish and to accomplish this, one name kept coming to his mind, a War of Independance leader, and liberal, General José Maria Paz. General Paz had been a prisoner for some time now, and the mere thought of releasing him would likley have Miguel branded a traitor. But these were deperate times, and Miguel knew there was one thing that both Rosas and Paz had in common, and that was their love for Argentina. Miguel decided it was time to stop being a yes man to his idol, and for the good of his country risk his position. He was going to suggest to Rosas, pardoning General Paz in order for him to lead the Argentinian army.
When Miguel arrived at Rosas' headquarter, approximatly 9 meters below the central square in Beunos Aires, he was greeted to come in. Rosas was almost always happy to have a surpise visit from his "star pupil", espeically in times like these. Miguel decided he didn't want to waste time on "small talk" and immdietly came out with his suggestion to free General Paz. Rosas's forhead scrunched, and his eyes became smaller. Migeul know this look all too well. It was the Rosas's look when he just found out he had been betrayed. Rosas's grabbed a book from his desk and tossed it at Miguel, who just happend to dodge it. Rosas rose from his seat and Migue knew he was about to have his guards called to make an arrest. Miguel suddenly blurted, partially to his own surpise "Although once you were my idol, I can now see the truth. You care nothing for Argentina, nothing for it's land, it's culture, or it's people. Only Yourself. Perhaps you are no diffrent then the Spanish dogs!"
Something then happend to Rosas, his face unscrunched his eyes grew large, and he sat back down. Rosas knew he wasn't a good man. He knew he was a lier, a thief, and a womanizer, and all it can be guessed is that he decided that if he was going to die, he didn't want to do it as a coward, or for his own glory, and certianly not for the Spanish, he decided should he meet his death during war, it should be for his people. Rosas decided he would free General Paz, and with him form a coalition goverment to drive out the Spanish. He decided there shouldn't be Liberals or Conservatives. Only Argentinians. Wheather this would be enough to effect the tide of war remained to be seen as large parts of the Argentinian goverment and military were still horribly divided and corrupt. Regardless of doubts, Rosas and Miguel proceeded to walk to the prison.
Finmaster said:Darnit stalin! I send my orders like 4 days ago or so, u could've told me earlier that I culdn't grow mah eco
Good update otherweise, though.
IC:
From Prime Minister of Canada
To Britain:
The people are getting more and more upset and army does not follow its leaders. There are riots in the streets of Toronto and Montreal as we speak!Send help immediately if you do not want them to take over!
Various circumstances delayed the orders to our generals. Do not fret, they are now firmly on their way to help their Canadian brothers put down this vile rebellion against proper British-Canadian rule.
das
Regeneration In Process
Don Ramon Castaneda stepped out of the chariot, elegantly avoided the dirt and hurried into his palace, entering it through the "black" entrance because he saw some guests gathering outside. He needed to think.
"Chimera..." - he muttered - "Caramba!"
All servants noticed the way he was muttering, the way he was shaking his head, the way, finally, he hurriedly went past the black entrance without even replying to their greetings... this meant that the owner of the (rather humble, but comfortable and historically-significant from now onwards) Trastamara palace was angry, angry and worried. He just came from the royal palace, so it certainly meant that something was going wrong in politics.
"Caramba..."
He quickly hung his outdoor clothes in the personal wardrobe, stepped into his bedroom, noted with some apathy that his wife was probably with her lover again, checked his revolver, hid it in his gilet, and walked out, immediately noticing his butler.
"Ah, noble master!" - said the butler - "There are guests - don Miguel..."
"I am aware, let them all in." - said Castaneda and walked out to meet his guests personally.
---
"Greetings, don Ramon." - said don Miguel Sterveza. Castaneda was immediately alarmed by the formal greeting and by the rather sullen look on his old friend's - or, at least, comrade's - face.
"Health to you." - joined the other guest, the young don Arturo Alfonse Zuciga, duke of Guadalmedina.
"Health to both of you as well." - replied don Ramon - "What concerns you so, Miguel?"
"Let us go somewhere where the three of us could talk quietly." - said don Miguel, somewhat harshly.
---
They walked into Castaneda's office, but none sit down. Don Ramon stood near the window, with his back turned to it. The others stood near him, Miguel standing near the antique table, leaning against it at times; he clearly was nervous and somewhat tired.
"Well, noble dons?" - Ramon asked - "Why are you here?"
"Ramon..." - started Miguel, gesturing for don Arturo not to speak yet - "Ramon, you do know why I am here."
Thought so, noted Ramon in his mind.
"I know not. And does that imply that don Arturo is here for a different reason?" - he said outloud.
"Similar, similar..." - said Arturo, looking down. He was apparently yet unsure... Good, thought Ramon. 'Tis not too late, then.
"Et tu, Brutus?" - questioned Ramon.
"Damnit, this is not what we came for!" - Miguel almost shouted - "Look, I dislike Olivarez as much as any other normal Spaniard, but this time he was right. What is happening is wrong."
"What exactly do you mean? The expedition in Argentina..."
"The WAR in Argentina that united our enemies against us!" - said Miguel.
"They were always united against us." - shrugged Ramon - "All they needed was a cause. And regardless, all will be as his majesty wishes..."
"Please..." - started Arturo, but was interrupted by Miguel immediately.
"Yes, please. Please stop pretending, stop hiding. You are the one in charge of Spain; we knew this and we were glad that our monarch is so well-advised. And you drag us into a war, introduce conscription, reject all reforms..."
"Reforms." - said Ramon - "Reforms, revolutions... Changes."
"We need a change now." - said Arturo - "Do you not see the Spain outside? Most people are poor and miserable, they are forced into crime and rebellions..."
"The people always are miserable, always are poor." - replied Ramon - "And always will be such in truth. And if they are forced into crime... then we must teach them to tolerate things better."
"Tolerate? Suffer quietly, you mean." - Arturo said, but his voice wasn't very certain.
"Suffer quietly and remain true Christians, rather than consumer-"citizens" in Britain and France."
"One should always learn to adopt good ideas..."
"Those are good ideas - for Britain and France. I am sorry. We are still friends, worry not. But I will NOT allow Spain to be taken by a different path!"
"What is the path that you want to take it by? The path of quiet suffering until it dies?"
"The Spanish path."
"Look into the window! Do you want Spain to remain like this?!"
Ramon turned around and looked into the window, as he was told to do.
Outside of the window was poverty, weakness, corruption, stench, bad weather... outside of the palace was Spain. Miserable, rotten old Spain.
Don Ramon looked, and his friends waited patiently. He sighed.
Spain.
"This is my world, no matter what. I will defend it no matter what, against all the enemies, against all who want to destroy it, no matter their methods or goals."
Before Miguel could say anything, Arturo nodded.
"This is our world too. We are with you."
Don Miguel Sterveza sighed and for a minute starred don Ramon in the eyes. Ramon did not look away.
"Our world, then." - Miguel said and sighed again - "Well then... lets defend it. But perhaps you will listen to certain suggestions..."
"I will listen to you." - said Castaneda, much relieved - he had few friends left, and thus learned to value those he still had - "And forgive me for my previous harshness. Yes, there will be changes and improvements. But only within the system itself. There shall be no revolutions here."
"Chimera..." - he muttered - "Caramba!"
All servants noticed the way he was muttering, the way he was shaking his head, the way, finally, he hurriedly went past the black entrance without even replying to their greetings... this meant that the owner of the (rather humble, but comfortable and historically-significant from now onwards) Trastamara palace was angry, angry and worried. He just came from the royal palace, so it certainly meant that something was going wrong in politics.
"Caramba..."
He quickly hung his outdoor clothes in the personal wardrobe, stepped into his bedroom, noted with some apathy that his wife was probably with her lover again, checked his revolver, hid it in his gilet, and walked out, immediately noticing his butler.
"Ah, noble master!" - said the butler - "There are guests - don Miguel..."
"I am aware, let them all in." - said Castaneda and walked out to meet his guests personally.
---
"Greetings, don Ramon." - said don Miguel Sterveza. Castaneda was immediately alarmed by the formal greeting and by the rather sullen look on his old friend's - or, at least, comrade's - face.
"Health to you." - joined the other guest, the young don Arturo Alfonse Zuciga, duke of Guadalmedina.
"Health to both of you as well." - replied don Ramon - "What concerns you so, Miguel?"
"Let us go somewhere where the three of us could talk quietly." - said don Miguel, somewhat harshly.
---
They walked into Castaneda's office, but none sit down. Don Ramon stood near the window, with his back turned to it. The others stood near him, Miguel standing near the antique table, leaning against it at times; he clearly was nervous and somewhat tired.
"Well, noble dons?" - Ramon asked - "Why are you here?"
"Ramon..." - started Miguel, gesturing for don Arturo not to speak yet - "Ramon, you do know why I am here."
Thought so, noted Ramon in his mind.
"I know not. And does that imply that don Arturo is here for a different reason?" - he said outloud.
"Similar, similar..." - said Arturo, looking down. He was apparently yet unsure... Good, thought Ramon. 'Tis not too late, then.
"Et tu, Brutus?" - questioned Ramon.
"Damnit, this is not what we came for!" - Miguel almost shouted - "Look, I dislike Olivarez as much as any other normal Spaniard, but this time he was right. What is happening is wrong."
"What exactly do you mean? The expedition in Argentina..."
"The WAR in Argentina that united our enemies against us!" - said Miguel.
"They were always united against us." - shrugged Ramon - "All they needed was a cause. And regardless, all will be as his majesty wishes..."
"Please..." - started Arturo, but was interrupted by Miguel immediately.
"Yes, please. Please stop pretending, stop hiding. You are the one in charge of Spain; we knew this and we were glad that our monarch is so well-advised. And you drag us into a war, introduce conscription, reject all reforms..."
"Reforms." - said Ramon - "Reforms, revolutions... Changes."
"We need a change now." - said Arturo - "Do you not see the Spain outside? Most people are poor and miserable, they are forced into crime and rebellions..."
"The people always are miserable, always are poor." - replied Ramon - "And always will be such in truth. And if they are forced into crime... then we must teach them to tolerate things better."
"Tolerate? Suffer quietly, you mean." - Arturo said, but his voice wasn't very certain.
"Suffer quietly and remain true Christians, rather than consumer-"citizens" in Britain and France."
"One should always learn to adopt good ideas..."
"Those are good ideas - for Britain and France. I am sorry. We are still friends, worry not. But I will NOT allow Spain to be taken by a different path!"
"What is the path that you want to take it by? The path of quiet suffering until it dies?"
"The Spanish path."
"Look into the window! Do you want Spain to remain like this?!"
Ramon turned around and looked into the window, as he was told to do.
Outside of the window was poverty, weakness, corruption, stench, bad weather... outside of the palace was Spain. Miserable, rotten old Spain.
Don Ramon looked, and his friends waited patiently. He sighed.
Spain.
"This is my world, no matter what. I will defend it no matter what, against all the enemies, against all who want to destroy it, no matter their methods or goals."
Before Miguel could say anything, Arturo nodded.
"This is our world too. We are with you."
Don Miguel Sterveza sighed and for a minute starred don Ramon in the eyes. Ramon did not look away.
"Our world, then." - Miguel said and sighed again - "Well then... lets defend it. But perhaps you will listen to certain suggestions..."
"I will listen to you." - said Castaneda, much relieved - he had few friends left, and thus learned to value those he still had - "And forgive me for my previous harshness. Yes, there will be changes and improvements. But only within the system itself. There shall be no revolutions here."
das
Regeneration In Process
Problematically, there is no such thing as an Argentinean nation, and neither is there an Argentinean state. There is but the Vice-Royalty of Provinces de la Plata, where lawful Spanish reign shall return now.
