What’s up With Rap?

Civrules

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I really don’t know why some people have such strong views against rap. Right, they swear a lot in there and they bash people, but so what? Does it mean that they are criminals and that they will do what they say? No, I don’t think so. There are people much worse than them, but to be honest, they don’t really compare.
I listen to Eminem...He does bash some people that I like and he does talk about other stuff but to tell you the truth, it does not effect me at all.
It does not brainwash me.
It does not turn me to a mean and obnoxious person...I am just me, I don’t think songs can change me. From the start I have always been polite and respectful, always have ones in citizenship and yet I listen to this stuff. Some stereotypes think that the only people that might listen to this are lowlifes. Obviously, not that true.
Even my English teacher likes rap.
 
Like all music anything popular is usually bad. Some rap is good, just nothing you are likely to hear without having to look for it.
 
namelly, alot of people dont like the sound- and resent the fact that rap is concidered so high and mighty compared to everything else IMO, that, and the associated stero-types for those who listen to rap, but I personally dont liek for th efirst reason- I much prefer assorted types of rock, in patuculer punk at th emoment (modern puck-rock for clarifacation) and geneaerlly dont like raps groove- soem exceptions, but not many
 
Rap can be good but it's been years since I heard a rap song that I really liked. Today's rapper have almost nothing to say.
I'm not really a fan of the whole pimp/thug thing.
But while we're on the subject:
Police secretly watching hip-hop artists
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/8139956.htm
Miami and Miami Beach police are secretly watching and keeping dossiers on hip-hop celebrities like P. Diddy and DMX and their entourages when they come to South Florida, a move police say is to protect the stars and the public.

Officers say they have photographed rappers as they arrived at Miami International Airport. They stake out hotels, nightclubs and video shoots. They consult a six-inch-thick black binder of every rapper and member of his or her group with an arrest record in the state of New York. The binder begins with a photo and rap sheet of Grammy-nominated rapper 50 Cent. It ends with Ja Rule. Both men are embroiled in one of the most bitter feuds in the hip-hop industry, one that Eminem, 50 Cent's producer, has warned in the song Bully could lead to bloodshed.

The policing effort of top entertainers -- which hip-hop experts criticize as unnecessary stereotyping -- was created, police say, to protect the public and musical celebrities who have chosen to make South Florida their destination to live and party.

''We have to keep an eye on these rivalries,'' said Assistant Miami Beach Police Chief Charles Press. ``The last thing we need in this city is violence.''

Government agencies keeping tabs on musicians is not new. The Nixon administration investigated former Beatle John Lennon in the 1970s and tried to have him deported. The band Body Count led by rapper Ice-T got the attention of police nationally in the early 1990s with the song Cop Killer. But those cases involved individual artists or groups, not monitoring across a musical genre.

''There's been no shortage of rock stars and other musicians'' scrutinized by police, said Anthony DeCurtis, contributing editor at Rolling Stone magazine. ``But there has never been anything like this.''

Several music executives and legal scholars say the intelligence-gathering highlights the misunderstanding between the police and a $10-billion industry. The police, they contend, have used the slayings of high-profile artists like Tupac Shakur, the Notorious B.I.G. and Run DMC's Jam Master Jay, to justify tracking many in the industry.

''Some people see gangs and hip-hop artists as being synonymous,'' said Benjamin Chavis, president and chief executive officer of The Hip-Hop Summit Action Network, a government-watchdog and voter-registration group. ``That's a mistake. The recording industry is a legitimate American enterprise, not a gang.''

Said attorney Bruce Rogow: ''This kind of conduct shows insensitivity to constitutional limitations. It also implicates racial stereotyping.'' Rogow successfully represented 2 Live Crew when the rap group was prosecuted for obscenity in the early '90s.

PART OF POLICE WORK

Press says it's good police work that has nothing to do with stereotyping a culture or musical genre: ``What would law enforcement be if we closed our eyes. Our job is to know as much about things that could hurt innocent people.''

Jeff Peel, director of Miami-Dade's Office of Film and Entertainment, said he's worried about a policy that could prompt hip-hop artists to stay away. South Florida is a choice spot for stars to live, celebrate and film music videos, an enterprise that pumps millions of dollars into the local economy.

''If something's going to dissuade them from coming, that would not be good news for us,'' Peel said.

Press and other officers say they welcome the musicians, but some rappers and their groups have had brushes with the law, police said. Miami Detective Peter Rosario said the practice of photographing rappers with their entourages shows who's in their circle.

''A lot if not most rappers belong to some sort of gang,'' Miami police Sgt. Rafael Tapanes said. ``We keep track of their arrests and associates.''

Dozens of rappers are tracked in the black binder, from minor artists like Black Rob to major figures like Sean ''P. Diddy'' Combs, Jay-Z, Nas and Busta Rhymes.

Publicists for Ja Rule, 50 Cent, Eminem, Jay-Z and P. Diddy refused to comment for this story.

Tapanes said the New York Police Department gave the binder to local law enforcement during a three-day ''hip-hop training session'' in May. Officers from other major cities like Los Angeles and Atlanta attended the event.

New York police officials denied having a hip-hop task force when asked recently by The Herald.

`WHAT TO LOOK FOR'

''Everybody that went got a binder with information on rappers that have been arrested, outlining charges,'' Tapanes said. ``They were trained on what to look for in the lyrics, what to look for when they go to hip-hop concerts, what radio stations and TV stations to monitor to keep abreast of any rift between these rappers.''

Press said local intelligence gathering on rap artists started after the Memorial Day 2001 weekend, when some 250,000 hip-hop fans flocked to South Beach for four days of parties hosted by their favorite rappers. Beach police made 211 arrests, double the usual number of a regular weekend, most for disorderly conduct and intoxication.

No major rap artist was arrested, but police felt compelled to figure out every nuance of the hip-hop culture that had spawned such a following, said Press.

''Nobody on the Beach had a handle on who the players were,'' Press said. ``We didn't know anything, we didn't know who were the big record labels, who were the kingpins; we didn't know why there were rivalries with Ja Rule and Eminem.''

Months later, Police Chief Donald DeLucca sent detectives to New York.

''It was paramount for us to understand because we know this is now their destination of choice,'' said Press, emphasizing that the department monitors activities related to other music events, including Spring Break festivities and this week's Winter Music Conference.

Besides the information they get from other police contacts, officers say they depend on hotel and nightclub workers and off-duty police officers on security details to keep them informed on the celebrities and their followers.

''If we know 50 Cent is coming to town then of course we have to be on alert,'' Press said. ``We know there have been multiple attempts on his life.''

The very notion that the Beach needed to send police to figure out the hip-hop culture is laughable, says Papa Keith, a DJ on 103.5 Tha Beat.

''If they're saying they're trying to learn about hip-hop, then hire more brothers and put them in the ranks and let them help you in that respect,'' Keith said. ``Why do you need to send a bunch of cops to New York?''

Of the Beach's 97 officers in supervisory jobs, only one is black. Of Miami's 226 ranking officers, 26 are black. Chavis, head of the HSAN, suggests sensitivity training for police departments.

Press says the fact that South Florida remains a destination for hip-hop artists and its fans proves that the police have not been heavy-handed.

Luther Campbell, the former 2 Live Crew rapper, said any intelligence gathering is unnecessary because rappers only come to South Florida to enjoy the weather and party.

''If they had problems like rappers coming down here and fighting, yeah you got to serve and protect,'' Campbell said. ``But you don't have those kinds of problems. The cities should take taxpayer dollars and put them toward something else.''
 
Maybe because some people make the mistake of taking rap serious. I mean if 50 cent whould be a real gangster he would be in jail, the US police isn't that bad. Honestly do you believe that any real criminal would go into the MTV study and say "Hey, look at me! Look at me! I'm a gangster"? All of these "gangsters" are just ordinary guys from the lower classes. They probably were in a street fight or two, smoked some dope and whatever. But it's highly unlikely that anyone of these thugs ever murdered somebody.

In fact I think popular rap is faggot music. Have you ever looked Tupac in the eyes? Man, this guy has the most girly eyes I ever say in a man's skull. Eminem looks like a total fag boy to me too. The reason for extreme hatred towards gays is often suppressed homosexuality, you know. Would explain his gay-bashing..
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In their videos they often run around half-nude, showing of their SHAVED body-builder chests. You know, not long ago most people thought all body-builders were fags..
And for some strange reason when they sing about lust objects they are totally focused on the ass... Seems like they are irritated by the more clearly female parts of a womens body..
Well and once they are popular they start their own FASHION LABEL (Puff daddy, Ice-T, etc.). Fashion label...
Honestly, I'm really scared of these
Shaved body-building fashion-designing girly-eyed ass-fetishist "tough guys"


:lol:

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Oh yea... and I forgot, because sometimes you have guys like this, who ruin the genras reputation by simply being alive ;) :yeah:

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i prefer opera and clasical, surpiringly
 
I personally think popular rap sucks. It's way too commercial, and alot of rappers are sellouts in my opinion. Also, it seems like most rap is "fake" in the sense that alot of rappers make maybe one album writing about their actual experiences, and the rest is just about how much "bling-bling" they have and all their women and their supposed "street fights" which are just stupid recording industries feuds.
 
maybe YOU aren't influenced by rap, Civrules. However, go to an American school (I dunno about overseas, maybe it's the same) and look at the populace. TONS of wanna-be rappers. I really don't give a hoot what they do with their time though. I think that they think dressing like a homie will get them ladies (because of all the ladies in rap videos). Too bad wearing a BAM hat and a vintage t-shirt will get way more girls haha!
 
Rap glorifies human trash, that's about as simply as I can put it.

Just a little joke this thread reminded me of: what do you get when you play a country record backwards?

You get your house back, your car back, your wife back, your kids back, and your money back.
 
How about the fact that most rappers have no talent whatsoever. honestly If I wern'r white and living in the suberbs i could get a record deal with a rap label. I'm a hel of a lot better than the vast majority of rappers out there. That is not so say that rap cannot me good, just that the rap that is produced is crap(only worse). In fact I have heard some incredible freesyle rap from ,beieve it or not, one of us debate kids. But of course he won't get anywhere because he is a rich white guy.
 
People have strong views against rap "music" because many of tha artists are sexist, and blame white people for everything, and are homophobic. The songs are all about either having sex (with so-called "b****es") and/or violence. There is nothing illegal about it, however. It is also anti-intellectualist and glorifies crime, for the most part. There are exceptions, of course. Rap music is an oxymoron. However, it does not brainwash everyone. Some people are unaffected by it.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
Rap glorifies human trash, that's about as simply as I can put it.
Just a little joke this thread reminded me of: what do you get when you play a country record backwards?
You get your house back, your car back, your wife back, your kids back, and your money back.

Well at least we have an honest opinion even if I do disagree with it. Anyone who knows nothing about rap thinks all rappers are thugs or "human trash." The idea of some thug being somewhat sucessfull whithout changing their social manerism is often threatening to some people who consider themselves more civilized. These are people who are supposed to be lazy at home collecting welfare checks so we can complain that they are wasting our tax money. Now they think they are better than us because they have made lots of money with absolutely no talent. Sounds like a good business plan to me.
 
Because there is no music, no melody, and it's just annoying to the ears.
That's the main reason ^^

Now, add the big bunch of gansta-wannabe style of rap, and the fact it has polluted most of the airwaves, records and adds, and you got the "I'm fed up with that trash" feeling.
 
Music and melody are two things rap could easily give you. Especially melody with its often rythmic and repetitive beat arrangements. Not that you like them. Annoying to the ears is something you have a chance of backing up.
 
Originally posted by Civrules
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I listen to Eminem...He does bash some people that I like and he does talk about other stuff but to tell you the truth, it does not effect me at all.
It does not brainwash me.
It does not turn me to a mean and obnoxious person...I am just me, I don’t think songs can change me. From the start I have always been polite and respectful, always have ones in citizenship and yet I listen to this stuff. Some stereotypes think that the only people that might listen to this are lowlifes. Obviously, not that true.
Even my English teacher likes rap. [/B]
the only people that isn't affect by the music they hear are dead people. You just not aware of it's affect on you. In reality everything you see , everything you hear, and those you hang around with has a pull (affect) on you. Don't under estimate the power of music.
 
I suppose the reason I feel hostility towards 'rap' music is it is what Townies tend to listen to (for those from outside the UK, townies are like jocks but worse, sterotypically:rant: they tend to hang on street corners being abusive etc, with gold chains hanging round their necks thinking their better than anyone.........picking on other kids at school and so on) and being into metal/alternative they are the enemy (example: just read in Metal Hammer that memebers from metal bands Chrimera, In Flams and Cradle Of Filth recently had a brawl with a group of townies who took offense to one fo them walking down the street, plus can think of several examples where peopel I know have been in or witnessned fights started by townies.)
Basically townies go out of their way to be abusive metalheads/punks/alternative kids just because of the way they look. And as townies listen to rap, thus rap becomes representative of them.
 
There are some good rap pieces out there, just that lately they haven't received much media attention.
 
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