What 10 Civilizations will be in Beyond the Sword?

[Saim]

What about the Holy Roman Empire?

Yes, they were mostly Germanic, but there are a lot of overlapping civilizations. Charlemagne could be the leader, and Frederick the Great could transfer over.

Don't you mean Frederick Barbarossa? The current leader is Frederick of Prussia.

What I mean is a SA country (ex. a Brazilian civ)

No SA countries. None of them are civs. Inca is a good enough representation from SA. There weren't really any other civs there.

 

[Astax]

Well Maya?

 

[seasnake]

Okay, Ten new empires:

IN
Native American with Sitting Bull (and Hiawatha)?
Dutch with William of Orange
Portuguese with Henry the Navigator
Babylonian with Hammurabi

Please be in:
Mayan with Smoke Jaguar
Polynesian with King Kamehameha
Austro-Hungarian with Franz Ferdinand (Take me out, indeed).
Khmer with Jayavarman II
Gran Colombia with Simon Bolivar
Abyssinian with Menelik II

Other five new leaders while I'm at it:
Spain: "El Cid" Ruy Diaz
America: Honest Abe
France: Charlamegne
Japan: Showa (Hirohito)
Greece: Socrates

I would love this batch. I liked Israel and the Huns and Byzantium, but this would be a great batch. While Geographically the Inca shared a lot of land with Colombia, there really wasn't a cultural overlap.

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

No SA countries. None of them are civs. Inca is a good enough
representation from SA. There weren't really any other civs there.

Not true. Other major civs in that region include the Moche, Nazca, and the builders of Tiwanaku. There have been various civilizations that predate or competed with the Inca in Pre-Columbian South America. However, for the purpose of a game expansion, I can't see any likelihod of including those other civs.

 

[Saim]

Woah... I've never heard of any of them. But the Incas are still the only SA civ that will end up in Civ IV, unless Civ IV turns into a game full of stuff like Canada, Australia and Brazil to please fans. Or if a SA american nation somehow conquers everyone in a year or two. Or if aliens land, make their capital in South America, and conquer everyone.

 

[Bushface]

What on earth is the point of waffling on about what the expansion will contain, be it civilisations, leaders, or whatever ? The decisions have already been made, and we must wait for the expansion to be released to find out what they were. I suppose that a few posters will then have the possibility of crowing "I was right !" but that's about all that these discussions will lead to.
Let us hope that the future of Civ4 will indeed be better, if not tomorrow then in due course.

 

[WingedPaladin]

Here is my suggestion for a future expansion or for a mod:

The Hawaiians were a tremendously significant culture to the British, Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Portugese, other Polynesians and many other cultures. Hawaii became a major trade station between the western and eastern hemisphere and a melting pot of race and culture from all over the world.

Due to it's key location in the Pacific, the United States of America overthew the Hawaiian Monarcy in 1893, created the Republic of Hawaii in 1894, and officially annexed Hawaii as a US territory in 1898. The bombing of Pearl Harbor in Hawaii on December 7, 1941 by the Japanese is what threw the US into WWII. Hawaii became a state in 1959. With the overthrow, tourism and the infusion of world cultures in Hawaii, Hawaiians as a race has become diluted, but recent resurgences of culture, music, language, and political issues concerning native Hawaiian rights have brought Hawaiians back into recognition as a race with a unique culture and history.

Hawaiian Empire

Starting Technologies: Agriculture, Fishing
Unique Unit: Koa (Spearmen)

Leader 1: Kamehameha the Great, another biography
Trait: Aggressive
Trait: Spiritual
Favorite Civic: Hereditary Rule

Leader 2: David Kalākaua
or

Lili'uokalani
Trait: Creative
Trait: Financial
Favorite Civic: Hereditary Rule

The images presented here are from Wikipedia which state that these images are for public use. For more on ancient Hawaiian culture, warfare, and religion, see http://www.alternative-hawaii.com/hacul/index.html and http://www.hiarmymuseumsoc.org/museum/exhibits.html

 

[T.A JONES]

Woah... I've never heard of any of them. But the Incas are still the only SA civ that will end up in Civ IV, unless Civ IV turns into a game full of stuff like Canada, Australia and Brazil to please fans. Or if a SA american nation somehow conquers everyone in a year or two. Or if aliens land, make their capital in South America, and conquer everyone.

Hey Canada was picked to please the richest market base that hinders to tough antipirating laws making them the greatest market besides the US for non counterfeit custumers. Canada was picked the same reason a lil Civ like the Zulus where added to Warlords, to legitamize the theme, this time of nations who are strong 'beyond the sword'.

The title means two things and We cater to both. One, Civs who lead in the days after sword conflicts (this elimates half the worthy candidates right there and while we had buddies in every modern war that meant riding with the best (gear /resouces) we could still stick out our chests for over acheivin to prove we could pull or weight with the best of the best.
We were pround to snub the nutrual nations and instead got oursleves included in the most important battles ever, 'WW1' and '2' . Then we got dirty in the Korean war ,even sent 40000 to Veitnam and now we are waste deep in the CIA's opium 'afganiscam'
Yep, we were on the war path ( with are good buds ) beyond the day of swordplay, thats a no doubter.


Canada' locks in the themes second meaning which is the emphasis on peaceful alternatives to succeed.
THe Big G8 member, Canada has a widely approved and envied social standing in many facets of non military areas
Canada's peacful ways yet advanced science and thriving economy makes it a shiny example of a winner on the world sceane that never needs to waste wads of miltary moola to look coola then the rest

Canada is also needed for the modern scenarios such as WW2, Coldwar war and the future scenario thats coming out

Pull all that together and really you all shoudn't be so surprised when I tell you its a done deal.

Sorry boys, you may not like it, but were in

 

[WingedPaladin]

To understand the relationship:

Hawaiians are to Polynesians
as French are to Europeans
and as Chinese are to Asians

Polynesians (Greek for "many islands") are a group of Civilizations that live in the Pacific, more specifically, the Polynesian triangle. Polynesians are not a single civilization, thus, Kamehameha was not king of the Polynesians, but king of the Hawaiians.

 

[Saim]

@T.A. Jones
Zulu where in vanilla civ3, so your "Zulus where in to fit the theme" is flawed. You could also argue that many civs had great generals.

@WingedPaladin
I know. I donnot want Polynesians anymore, I think it would be interesting if there was Hawaii, Maori, etc. Though are there any notable Polynesian civs other than Hawaiians and Maoris?

 

[Bolder]

My picks:

Maya
Ethiopia
Habsburgian Empire
Siam
Hittites
Thrace FTW!!

 

[WingedPaladin]

@WingedPaladin
I know. I donnot want Polynesians anymore, I think it would be interesting if there was Hawaii, Maori, etc. Though are there any notable Polynesian civs other than Hawaiians and Maoris?

Yes. Tonga is still a kingdom and the only remaining kingdom in the Pacific. Samoa is broken into two parts: American Samoa and Western Samoa. American Samoa is governed by the USA and is more modernized. Western Samoa is currently independent and lives a more traditional way of life.

These two groups, the Tongans and Samoans, are also culturally rich and have their own dances and religious traditions. They are both fun loving people and love to dance. From my observations, Tongans seem to be more reserved/dignified and darker-skinned, while Samoans tend to be louder and more outgoing. (Individuals may vary.) They also tend to be fiercely loyal to family and friends.

Being in close proximity to one another in south Polynesia, wars between the Tongans and Samoans have gone on for millennia and though those wars have ceased, some strife has continued between the two cultures. This is most apparent in competitions they have with one another and gang activity occurring on the continental US. Samoan and Tongan parents feel a solution to this is to send their teens back to Samoa and Tonga to live with relatives, learn their cultural roots, respect for elders and themselves in culture-identity, and simpler way of life.

Because of their high protein diet and large build, Tongans and Samoans are often recruited and known to make some of the best defensive football players.


The Tahitians and the Marquesas are both within French Polynesia and consist of many islands. They are a thinner build and many historians believe the Hawaiians stem from the Tahitians and/or the Marquesas due to the similarity in the language. These two cultures are similar in that they wear a lot of feathers and mother of pearl, especially when they dance. They are known for their fast drums, shaking hips and bird-like dancing. Currently, their major export is Noni Juice. Noni Juice is grown in all of Polynesia, including Hawaii.

There are also the Fijians. The Fijians look different than other Polynesians due to their darker skin and afro-like hair. They were also a very warlike people in history and much of their dancing portrays that history. The Fijian government has also tended to be unstable with military coups rising up to take power.

And as you have mentioned, there are the Maori of New Zealand. Other historians believe the Hawaiians came from the Maori and some legends hint to that. The Maori also had wars among themselves and bore tattooed faces with wide eyes and protruding tongues to intimidate their foes. They are also well known for their intricate carvings in buildings, totem poles, weapons, and jewelry. Historically, the English deported ships to New Zealand and Australia, hence the British-like accent. To me, Maori are the most Native American looking group in Polynesia, and some, even they themselves believe they stemmed from the Native Americans.

If you ever come to Hawaii, a great place to visit is the Polynesian Cultural Center. You will be able to experience many of the cultural aspects of the groups that I have mentioned.

The Polynesian civilizations I have mentioned above are considered in Polynesia to be the major civilizations. There are some smaller islands include the Cook Islands, Easter Island (famous for the large stone heads), Christmas Island, etc.

During Captain Cook's time, I believe the native Polynesian population was at its peak, but due to the diseases western sailors introduced to the otherwise isolated and diseaseless islanders, many of them were wiped out, so today their population is only a small fraction of what it used to be about 200 years ago. Western culture has modernized many of these islands, but the native islanders still have strong ties to their ancient culture.

 

[BibiBitesBack]

If we're gonna make changes, how about introducing Atheism?

and on a not-so-serious level:

Obviously Mrs Margaret Thatcher should be included on the England Team, showing Aggressive and Financial traits. Unique Unit: The Handbag. Unique Building: The Single-seater Cabinet Office. Technologies: Shouting Stridently and Picking Fights.

 

[NYHunter]

I already said who I think they will put here, but this is what I would like to see regardless of how likely it is. Besides the 4 that are already there.

1. Maya
2. Holy Roman Empire
3. Siam
4. Vietnam
5. Byzantines
6. Zapotec

 

[T.A JONES]

@T.A. Jones
Zulu where in vanilla civ3, so your "Zulus where in to fit the theme" is flawed.

They what? they were? shucks, I hadn't played that Civ3 thingy much. I wasn't aware, thanks!
Civ4 is the chapter taking the themed approach. Thats why Canada is justified Its like they designed a reason for it to be included.
Civ3 scatterd some 31 Civs in the game all the greats where included then they chose the Zulus to represent a unique culture (culture being the theme if any)

Canada had no chance in Civ3. Sadly this time Civ4 has catered to them with its expansion approach. The Zulus got lucky twice

 

[nstutt]

Considering the modern nature of the expansion I would guess at Korean, Slovakia, Slav, Mexico, Vietnam, Argentina, Turkish, Finland, Prussia and Australia could be there.

 

[T.A JONES]

Considering the modern nature of the expansion I would guess at Korean, Slovakia, Slav, Mexico, Vietnam, Argentina, Turkish, Finland, Prussia and Australia could be there.

They won't all be modern civs. A few have to be left out oldies.(scenarios need em) Mostly shiny examples of new modern nations that would tie in nicely like a G8 member, whos people coincidently make up the target market for Civ4 sales, will be included.


Sorta off Base but how may nations you listed there can the average citizen afford a computer that runs CIv4 + two expansion paks correctly? If its 'lots' then can they buy a legal copy just as easily?. The Firaxis marketing suits know the anwsers to this. Im just trying to break you in for whats coming this is after all the "I told you so thread" eh?

 

[nstutt]

They won't all be modern civs. A few have to be left out oldies.(scenarios need em) Mostly shiny examples of new modern nations that would tie in nicely like a G8 member, whos people coincidently make up the target market for Civ4 sales, will be included.


Sorta off Base but how may nations you listed there can the average citizen afford a computer that runs CIv4 + two expansion paks correctly? If its 'lots' then can they buy a legal copy just as easily?. The Firaxis marketing suits know the anwsers to this. Im just trying to break you in for whats coming this is after all the "I told you so thread" eh?

Well if you are referring to Canada I cant see them being in - theyre not exactly know for their global importance and havent had any kind of empire. And isnt everyone in Canada too busy stopping bears from stealing their picnics to contribute anything to the world

 

[Scaramanga]

Well if you are referring to Canada I cant see them being in - theyre not exactly know for their global importance and havent had any kind of empire. And isnt everyone in Canada too busy stopping bears from stealing their picnics to contribute anything to the world

Just wait until the world's supply of fresh water runs out.

 

[T.A JONES]

Just wait until the world's supply of fresh water runs out.

Thats if Nestle hasn't bottled and shipped it all by then. Canada charges corps less then 5% what Europe does for access to water reserves. Hey mybe Bottled water will be Canada's Corporate entity in BtW, at least in the future scenarios