What 10 Civilizations will be in Beyond the Sword?

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Nope ! Cristo redentor fits Portugal addition. Sorry for Brazil ( remenber : 3-0 )

Oo
how cristo redentor is a portuguese addition? they construct that in 1931, and brazil is independent as 18 - something... its the same thing u say the statue of liberty is a english addition oO

i think brazil will be added :) or a native brazilian civilization, like the guaranis or the caigangs :D
 
For starters, we need:

Polynesians
Indonesia
Siam
Burma
Viet Nam
Babylon
Byzantine Empire
Lydia
Phrygia
Hittites
Armenia
Phoenicia
Israel
Mahgreb
Ethiopia
Kongo
Zimbabwe
Portugal
Switzerland
Italy
Netherlands
Belgium
Austria
Hungary
Serbia
Croatia
Bulgaria
Romania
Scotland
Ireland
Denmark
Sweden
Finland
Ukraine
Lithuania
Poland
Bohemia
Mayas
Canada
Australia
Argentina
Brazil
Colombia

brazil needs to go first!
*evil laugh*
 
Don't you mean Frederick Barbarossa? The current leader is Frederick of Prussia.



No SA countries. None of them are civs. Inca is a good enough representation from SA. There weren't really any other civs there.

OMG!
every country is a civilization! Oo It can be the people from brazil, argentina, uruguay, colombia...
i call this preconception.
 
I shall post in here what I posted on another thread:

There are several reasons for why Brazil could/should be in it. Allow me:

1) The Cristo Redentor was built in 1931. That's entirely Brazilian with *no* Portuguese influence. Putting it in there as a Portuguese reference would be beyond wrong.

2) There is a *severe* lack of South American representation in the Civ games, with the Incas being the only ones.

3) Brazil was the only country in the Americas to ever have its own true empire/monarchy; it lasted from 1822 - 1889. Mexico's combined 4 years with no real hereditary rule is not really an empire.

4) The Brazilian Empire was a major force in South American politics and was the major player in the War of the Triple Alliance, the continent's most important military conflict between the sovereign nations.

5) Pedro II is widely acclaimed as a great leader and would fit perfectly within the Civ roster of leaders.

6) The vast majority of the Civilizations in Civ 4 had absolutely no world-wide impact, only regional. The Mali Empire is a perfect example of that. Also, with Sitting Bull a confirmed leader, that means the Sioux are going to be included and they are also another great example. Brazil had enormous impact in South America without being a colony.

7) The Zulu nation has a history just as short as sovereign Brazil (almost 200 years). But the short history they do have is extremely vital to the regional South Africa and that is why they are included.

8) Civ 3 had a lot of Civs that are on the same scale of importance as Brazil.

9) As for the cities in Civ 3 that belonged to Portugal: Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro *were* Portuguese cities. When Brazil was a colony. If Brazil is not a present Civ, then sure, it makes sense to give Portugal those cities, like Civ 3 did. But if Brazil is, then those cities would clearly go to it.

10) Santos-Dumont would make such a good Great Engineer.

Granted, I believe it's just wishful thinking, but there *are* reasons as to why Brazil would be a good choice for a civilization.

The most important reason being the severe lack of South American representation.

Brazil or Argentina are the only countries that could really fill in the shoes of that representation. But since Brazil had more impact in the whole continent (due to its larger borders and contact with the other nations), it would be a better choice. And that is why I believe they should be in it.


And I'm also well aware that you don't need to have a civilization in the game in order to use its wonder. The Hanging Gardens is in the game already and the Babylonians themselves won't get here until July with the expansion.

All in all, I know that Brazil probably won't be in it, but I figured it was a worth a shot to explain why it should be considered.

And yes, I fully support someone from "down under" since we also need some Oceanic representation around here. =D

Thanks for reading this novel!

P.S.- I'll probably think of the unique units and buildings soon enough...
 
OMG!
every country is a civilization! Oo It can be the people from brazil, argentina, uruguay, colombia...
i call this preconception.

Civilization does not nessesirily equal civilization. That would be like saying each greek city state was their own civilization.
 
1) The Cristo Redentor was built in 1931. That's entirely Brazilian with *no* Portuguese influence. Putting it in there as a Portuguese reference would be beyond wrong.
Who brought Christianity to Brazil, eh? No Portuguese help, but the influence was all Portuguese.

3) Brazil was the only country in the Americas to ever have its own true empire/monarchy; it lasted from 1822 - 1889. Mexico's combined 4 years with no real hereditary rule is not really an empire.
Ehem. The Incas had a hereditary monarchy. 'Nuff said. And hereditary monarchy alone doesn't make a civilization or an empire, it only makes a hereditary monarchy.

8) Civ 3 had a lot of Civs that are on the same scale of importance as Brazil.
This is Civ4.
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Like I said in some other thread, let us just include every friggin' 170+ modern nation-states (not civs, nation-states) in Civ4 as their own "civilizaitons." That will make everyone happy.

Don't stop there, though -- look into the history books and add every single nation-state in the known history of mankind, and you have one helluva expansion pack.

:joke:
 
Who brought Christianity to Brazil, eh? No Portuguese help, but the influence was all Portuguese.

And who brought Christianity to Portugal, to Spain, to France? T'was the Romans/Byzantines. Shouldn't we then credit the Notre Dame wonder to Rome? Clearly it was their influence that established it and therefore it shouldn't be considered French. Right? Or how about the Church of the Nativity wonder? That's Roman too, right?

Ehem. The Incas had a hereditary monarchy. 'Nuff said. And hereditary monarchy alone doesn't make a civilization or an empire, it only makes a hereditary monarchy.

Except the Incas weren't a country. Notice how I specifically used the word "country" exactly because I am well aware of the Incas and of the other Mesoamerican peoples that weren't a country but had hereditary rule.

I mentioned it simply because it adds to the status. Most civilizations in the Civ games were Empires at one point. Brazil was one too. It adds historical context. Not because I think an empire automatically makes a nation a civilization or because I think it makes them important, but because it just gives the nation a more "classically historic" side if they have it.

This is Civ4.

Precisely why Brazil could be in it. New game, new civilizations. What was in Civ 3 (ie Portugal having Sao Paulo and Rio as cities) should have no effect on what will be in Civ 4. That's my point.
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Like I said in some other thread, let us just include every friggin' 170+ modern nation-states (not civs, nation-states) in Civ4 as their own "civilizaitons." That will make everyone happy.

Don't stop there, though -- look into the history books and add every single nation-state in the known history of mankind, and you have one helluva expansion pack.

:joke:

It's funny how everyone seems to think that only world-affecting civilizations should be in the game. Because when you consider it, most civilizations did not affect the world. They affected their region.

Does anyone object to Mali? Zulu? Korea? Babylon? Carthage? No. And yet none of those had world importance. But they had tremendous regional importance that is remembered by the world. That's why they're there.

Why are the Inca so important? Because they were an "old" civilization that conquered parts of Eastern South America? Never affected much else than their relatively small region. They didn't do much, really. Ah, but they were "ancient" so that makes them great.

If one takes South American history, then one sees how monumental the Brazilian Empire was in the shaping of the entire continent. It had tremendous impact and a lot of history. But it's not ancient. Nor did it ever become a world power. Therefore it should just be ignored?

Then why aren't we ignoring the Zulu? Why aren't we ignoring the Sioux (which will be in BTS since Sitting Bull is a confirmed leader)?

Because of representation.

South America and Oceania need representation.

Africa needed representation and so we got Zulu and Mali. North America has USA and Aztecs, and we're getting Sioux and likely Maya to add to their representation.

Now it's South America and Oceania's turn. Or will they continue to have 1 and 0 civilizations, respectively?

We can keep pumping out Europeans and Asians, or we can get some diversity and maybe learn something about the Polynesians and the Brazilians...
 
South America and Oceania need representation.

Africa needed representation and so we got Zulu and Mali. North America has USA and Aztecs, and we're getting Sioux and likely Maya to add to their representation.

Now it's South America and Oceania's turn. Or will they continue to have 1 and 0 civilizations, respectively?

We can keep pumping out Europeans and Asians, or we can get some diversity and maybe learn something about the Polynesians and the Brazilians...

Exactly! The game is already too much concentrated in Europe and european culture. We need more not European/Mediterrean Civilizations.

This western ignorance is sometimes unbelievable!
 
South America and Oceania need representation.

Africa needed representation and so we got Zulu and Mali. North America has USA and Aztecs, and we're getting Sioux and likely Maya to add to their representation.

Now it's South America and Oceania's turn. Or will they continue to have 1 and 0 civilizations, respectively?

We can keep pumping out Europeans and Asians, or we can get some diversity and maybe learn something about the Polynesians and the Brazilians...

Yay! All of my postings have not been for naught and I appreciate that some have noticed that we have had zero official representation as of yet. I apologize if I have offended anyone with my postings due to my frustrations in my heritage being treated as sub-par.

I just think Kamehameha would look really awesome in the game since his style of dress is very unique. Check these out:

King Kamehameha's ceremonial feather cape. Hawaiians caught a lot of birds to make this. The creators caught the birds using tree sap on a branch, plucked a few feathers, then set the birds free.

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This is the original Kamehameha Statue

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Here's the famous statue in front of the State Capitol:

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Statue of Kamehameha at the US Capitol in Washington D.C.

This is an artist's rendition of King Kamehameha from this page: http://www.elliecrowe.com/book6.html

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Follow this link for More great pics of this unique traditional feather outfit.

Wow, and in my search for great pictures of Kamehameha, I found this thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/printthread.php?t=41995&pp=20
 
What about Kazakhstan - it is a great exporter of Potassium! :D

Just kidding - no offence Kazakhs! :) I couldn't resist when I saw how important exporter of sandalwood was Polynesia :)
 
I couldn't resist when I saw how important exporter of sandalwood was Polynesia :)

Sweet smelling wood was really popular back then and it is still a popular wood with the Chinese. ;)

When I went to China in 1994, I bought foldable fans that were made out of strips of carved sandalwood.

This website gave a good synopsis of what had happened in Hawaii:

"Kamehameha The Great had seized power as a ruthless military dictator. Although he became somewhat benevolent in later years, he continued to hold absolute power as the giver of laws and the owner of all the lands and waters of Hawai'i. When he wanted to buy weapons and consumer goods from Europeans and Americans, he ordered thousands of Hawaiian men to stop fishing and taro farming and to collect sandalwood and deliver it to the harbors, until all Hawai'i was stripped of sandalwood and many men and their families died of starvation."

Quote from http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaiiansovereignty/kauikeaoulistpatricksday.html

Another website featuring the sandalwood trade:

http://www.hawaiiweb.com/molokai/sites_to_see/SandalwoodPit.htm
 
WingedPaladin,

What would the UU/UB be for Pacific Islanders? My wife is a huge rugby fan, she wants it to be a rugby pitch instead of a colliseum (she says rugby is the sport in the Islands, I wouldn't know myself). As for UU, I can't think of anything.

Well, my uncle loved to play rugby in college and I sometimes see big Samoan and Tongan men on a grass field playing rugby so I would assume they play that a lot in their homeland. I was attending a college in the continental US, and met a few Fijian and Tongan rugby players there as well. :) Football and volleyball are big here in Hawaii, but then Hawaii is more like the US than most of the other islands in the Pacific. A lot of my high school Samoan, Tongan, and Hawaiian guys get recruited for college and professional football.

If the civilization is the Hawaiians, then the Unique Unit would be Nā Koa, or the spearmen. (Nā means "the" plural, Koa means warrior)

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Some wore helmets made of tightly woven fibers and feathers. Others wore helmets carved from gourds.

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From http://www.hawaiiantrading.com/herb-kane/pages/battle-at-nuuanu-pali.html

Here is more on Hawaiian weaponry as observed by Captain Cook and other westerners.

The ancient Unique Building would be a heiau or Hawaiian temple. It was probably the most prominent and lasting structures Hawaiians built before western contact. http://www.nps.gov/puhe/photosmultimedia/index.htm
http://www.aloha-hawaii.com/hawaii/heiau/
This is an interesting article: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Jul/02/ln/ln22p.html

A more modern structure for the Hawaiians would be the Iolani Palace.

I've heard rumors about the large heads, Moai, of the Rapa Nui / Easter Island being considered. I really don't know much about Easter Island besides there was a civilization that lived there that made big stone carvings of faces. Apparently those early islanders had ancient and more modern ties to Chileans due to its close proximity to South America.

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It really is a stunning wonder produced by an ancient civilization in Polynesia.
 
My 10 cent:

1 Portugal
2 Netherlands
3 Sioux
4 Babylon

5 Maya
6 Iroquis
7 Sumer
8 Khmer, Siam/Thailand
9 Ethiopia
10 Cathage

Neither Canada, Hawaii, Finland or Poland are interesting enough for me.

Poland only in a Europe 16. century-scenario. And then Sweden should be included as well. (But that could be the Vikings with a twist)
 
My 10 cent:

1 Portugal
2 Netherlands
3 Sioux
4 Babylon

5 Maya
6 Iroquis
7 Sumer
8 Khmer, Siam/Thailand
9 Ethiopia
10 Cathage

Neither Canada, Hawaii, Finland or Poland are interesting enough for me.

Poland only in a Europe 16. century-scenario. And then Sweden should be included as well. (But that could be the Vikings with a twist)

Carthage is already in the game. It's in Warlords and the leader is Hannibal.
 
Carthage is already in the game. It's in Warlords and the leader is Hannibal.

Argh! :D :mischief: How embarrassing

I guess this leaves a slot open for ... the Byzantines or Hittites or something.

My problem with the Hittites in civ3 was that I always mixed them up with the Carthagians.

Well, maybe Poland is up for her debut then? If the next civ is getting a gunpowder-age-theme.
 
What about Kazakhstan - it is a great exporter of Potassium! :D

Just kidding - no offence Kazakhs! :) I couldn't resist when I saw how important exporter of sandalwood was Polynesia :)

and a scientific leader named Borat?
 
I don´t get it. Are you serious when you want Brazil to be in bts. Never. It´s the same with Australia and Canada.
And you who have taken both the Sioux and the Iroquis, to you I ask if you´ve been on firaxis.com. Well, on firaxix you can reed that there will be one Native American civ in bts.

But here´s my 6 choices to the new civilizations:
1 Polynesia
2 Maya
3 Kush
4 Khmer
5 Austria-Hungary
6 Israel

Other civs such as Byzantia, Poland, Sweden, Siam, Ethiopia, Sumer, Assyria and Hettites also looks good to me.
 
i think the new civilizations will be:
portugal, babylonia, dutch, gods, mayans, summeria, poland, byzantine, iroquies, and the huns...i bet would be i dont know i cant wait to see the new civs
 
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