What 10 Civilizations will be in Beyond the Sword?

[Traitorfish]

@Menzies The problem is that you're confusing "Nazi Germany" with "Hitler". Hitler himself was not as vital to the development of the Third Reich as is often thought, and whenever he did get personally involved things tended to go down the toiler for them. I mean, the basic reason they lost the war is because Hitler was stupid enough to attack the USSR when he had Britain on it's knees. This was his own, personal decision, against the recommendation of the army.
Yes, Napoleon made mistakes, and I actually do question his presence in the game, but at least when he was winning it was because of his strategic skill. Similarly, Stalin, while he made some terrific blunders, not only managed to defeat the invaders, but also managed to turn a backwards, rural nation into an industrial superpower. And Churchill... Well, he was an ass, no arguments. (Remember, I never said that all the leaders who were in the game deserved to be there, just that Hitler didn't.)
Besides, even if Hitler had been a halfway competent, Germany still has some far more important leaders to draw on.

Keeping him out of the game isn't admitting a fear of him, but putting him into the game would just be going along with the Cult of Personality he constructed around himself, which, in my view, is worse.

 

[Firefight]

Yes, Gallipoli. Winston Churchills greatest plan ever. British, French and the glorious ANZACs'. The french brough more wine than people, the British landed and wasted time with a tea break and the ANZACs' were greeted with Machinegun nests with angry turks in them. It failed horribly and we never made it to Constantanople. But because of how awesome us Australians' where we made a water and bucket mecanism to make our guns fire that we left there to cover up our escape. Gallipoli was a difining moment, but we still are not big enough to become a civ, better than Poland however.
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bollocks, however we British never got to drink our tea in one of the most famous Great War Battles, The Battle of the Somme, the tea lads with the metal cannisters on their backs were mowed down by maxims, while you were to busy discoviring "australian" identity and moaning how your ration were not kangeroo meat sitting in second line and third line trenches, playing cards with the indian forces, while we did the fighting and the french ran in after we did most the works

 

[Whomp]

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[09camaro]

wow... the moderators are really active today...

anyway back to the forum...

the... uhhh... umm... s*** someone bring something up... i cant think of anything to say

 

[Turner]

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[dutchking]

So one more time the new civs in BtS are:
1.Netherlands
2.Portugal
3.Babylon
4.Sumeria
5.Maya
6.Sioux/Native Americans
7.Byzantine
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's all we know so far.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

@Menzies The problem is that you're confusing "Nazi Germany" with "Hitler". Hitler himself was not as vital to the development of the Third Reich as is often thought, and whenever he did get personally involved things tended to go down the toiler for them. I mean, the basic reason they lost the war is because Hitler was stupid enough to attack the USSR when he had Britain on it's knees. This was his own, personal decision, against the recommendation of the army.

Hitler made a lot of remarkably stupid military decisions, but when he decided to invade Russia, his generals shared his belief that Russia would fold in three months. They all underestimated the resilience of the Russians, and the simple fact that the country was so tremendously big that conquering it all was a daunting undertaking. "Never fight a land war in Asia", you know - and they did not even manage to advance to the Asian (and major) part of the Soviet Union. Even today, most of Russia is in Asia.

I don't really share your low opinion of Churchill, and calling him an ass is definitely going over the top. I thought adding a third leader for England was excessive, but I don't think he was unworthy to be included.

 

[dutchking]

Hitler made a lot of remarkably stupid military decisions, but when he decided to invade Russia, his generals shared his belief that Russia would fold in three months. They all underestimated the resilience of the Russians, and the simple fact that the country was so tremendously big that conquering it all was a daunting undertaking. "Never fight a land war in Asia", you know - and they did not even manage to advance to the Asian (and major) part of the Soviet Union. Even today, most of Russia is in Asia.

I don't really share your low opinion of Churchill, and calling him an ass is definitely going over the top. I thought adding a third leader for England was excessive, but I don't think he was unworthy to be included.

We're getting off topic again... ... back to new civs!

 

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[Saim]

Thanks Turner!

You guys think that the Hittites will be making a comback? I think they will, but I would preffer not. And what about Austria? That was going to be in Civ 3, and can still be played if you replace it's info with another civ... do you think they'll be in? If so, that leaves only 1 more civ... hopefully Siam, Khmer, Vietnam, Mahapajit, Sri Vijaya or just any SE Asian civ. But not a united SE Asia or Indochina or anything like that.

 

[09camaro]

again im frickin red-carded!!!
meanie moderators! meanies!
cnat you just leave me alone!?

o well... anyway,
it will probably be Siam... i mean... it would have to go with the "Chinese, Japanese" theme... so it whould end in an "...ese" that makes it either Siamese, or Vietnamese... etc.

i would also prefer to not see the Hittites. and i would love to see Austria!

man, if only i could find my list that i posted... its buried in here somewhere...

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[Antilogic]

I have no clue on the last civs. Hittites and Austria have the bonus of being previous Civ civilizations, as do the Iroquois. I originally thought the Sioux had no chance of a come-back from Civ2, and they didn't show in Civ3, but now they are back...

I'm thinking they might stick with all the Civs they have previously included in other Civ incarnations, and just go with that. I don't necessarily agree with that, and the Sioux were a major "Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot" from my end, but whatever. I'll play the game anyway.

 

[Menzies]

Austria must be in the game, Hittites should be. And if there's Khmer all the better.

 

[Hitti-Litti]

I think there is Khmer, or at least some SE Asia civ, as we have seen a war elephant that looks like a UU of a SE Asian civ.

I doubt Hittites are in game, I don't know why. Sweden would be great, and I hope that Ethiopia is in.

 

[abass]

What about the Armenians? They are one of the oldest civilizations(more than 3000 years old) and they also have a very interesting history!

 

[Hitti-Litti]

I think not. Armenia isn't considered as a world power nowadays, and in history it hasn't been as important as many others.

 

[doronron]

So one more time the new civs in BtS are:
1.Netherlands
2.Portugal
3.Babylon
4.Sumeria
5.Maya
6.Sioux/Native Americans
7.Byzantine
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's all we know so far.

Another African Civ would be nice (who did the pharoahs have to fight to unite upper and lower Egypt?). The Gauls would make an interesting choice. The fertile cresent and classical era are pretty much covered, though, as are the major empires in the pre-colonial Americas. Another Asian Civ might be good, but the major ones are already in place. Hmm.

 

[abass]

I think not. Armenia isn't considered as a world power nowadays, and in history it hasn't been as important as many others.

Armenia is not a world power today but that also applies to most of the civs that r in the game! Armenia was a regional power in the past and in it's 3000 year old history has accomplished more than some of the civs that r in the game or will be in this new expansion!

Some facts about the history of armenians:
1) The Armenian Empire under Tigranis the Great occupied the lands from the Mediterranean sea until the Black sea and the Caspian sea, plus he defeated the roman empire in more than one occasion!
2) Armenia was the first state that adopted Christianity as a state religion
3) The first battle for Christianity was given by the Armenians against the Persians.
4) After the fall of the Armenian Kingdom, lots of Armenian moved to the south of Asia Minor where they created the Cilician Armenian Kingdom which played an important part during the crusades!

of course there r more facts but i think that these should be enough for the time being!

 

[Hitti-Litti]

1) But who won in the end?
2) So what?
3) So what?
4) They were defeated and had to move, I don't see that as a great achievement. Of course Cilician kingdom was important, but not enough to deserve a place in Civ.

Don't take this as an offence but I think that Armenia isn't important enough to deserve a place in Civ.

 

[Menzies]

Kaching...

*Awesome guitar solo*

heh, look at em yoyos, that's the way you do it

You play the guitar on the MTV

That ain't workin

That's the way you do

Money for nothing and your chicks for free...

*Wakes up from daydreaming and notices something*

So,we still have the Hittites, Austrians and the great Khmer not in the game and you want Armenias.

I'm sorry, but I've run out of giving a damn about the numbered reasons list for the day and I'll tell you why.

1. 90% of the time it's because the person thinks the readers of what he has written can't desipher 3 lines of text with the information actually woven in.
2. Microwave ovens
3. I don't care
4. The numbers are so far to reach

Your numbered list has melted my brain so I'll write the rest of this as the first and last letter of each word.

GOFKYFAAISNTITTOTEVTMYOFTEWDSOGOTOHL

Very subtle, and I type any sware words, flame or do anything else. Anything can be read into this.

-Take that turner

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