What 10 Civilizations will be in Beyond the Sword?

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That settles it folks. The remaining two civilizations are Greenland and Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan is represented by Persia, Tunisia is represented by Carthage, All of Scandinavia is represented by Vikings, Ireland is represented as the British Isles, Arabs are everywhere on the Middle East that's why i colored them Orange and Turkey is represented by the Ottoman Empire.
 
Why isn't most of north Eastern Europe shaded since, by your logic, it's covered by Germany and Russia?
 
Also Greenland is a part of Denmark, which is equaly not in the game. Unless you count the Vikings, and even then Greenland should't be part of that.

But Greenland was settled by the glorious nation of Iceland about 1000 years ago. Icelanders were Vikings too, you know. = representation in the game.
 
But Greenland was settled by the glorious nation of Iceland about 1000 years ago. Icelanders were Vikings too, you know. = representation in the game.

glorious???????

anyway, id like to see a few commonwealth nations added
 
anyway, id like to see a few commonwealth nations added
What do you mean by "Commonwealth nations", exactly? If you mean African countries, I'd suggest using their own native kingdoms instead of using the often arbitrary British designations, and if you mean Canada, Australia, etc. then they are effectively represented by England itself.
 
What do you mean by "Commonwealth nations", exactly? If you mean African countries, I'd suggest using their own native kingdoms instead of using the often arbitrary British designations, and if you mean Canada, Australia, etc. then they are effectively represented by England itself.

but they formed own identities!!

have you never watched Gallipoli?
 
Why isn't most of north Eastern Europe shaded since, by your logic, it's covered by Germany and Russia?

Don't ever say Poland could be represented by Russia and especially Germany in Poland, You'll get beaten up for that.

Germany only covers Austria which in my opinion could be debatable in whether there east or west Europeans.

Russia, Well most Slavs outside of Russia would hate being represented by only Russia, mainly because of there recent history with Russia. i don't want to get into another posting war but please believe me, Slavs don't like to be represented by Russia. And Poles especially don't like being represented with Germany.
 
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Don't ever say Poland could be represented by Russia and especially Germany in Poland, You'll get beaten up for that.

I'm not saying that Poland could be represented by Germany or Russia in exactly the same way that you're not saying that Ireland (or Scotland or Wales) could be represented by England. But, as you accurately pointed out, England did rule those territories just like Germany and Russia ruled the territories of north Eastern Europe.

You shaded in a number of territories on the map (such as Azerbaijan) because they were ruled by other countries. Why didn't you also shade in Poland due to German and Russian control and why didn't you shade in much of south Eastern Europe due to Ottomann and Greek control?
 
Germany only covers Austria which in my opinion could be debatable in whether there east or west Europeans.

Austrians don't like being represented by Germany, me being a fourth Austrian myself, I think the two have their own unique and different cultures. Besides the fact that they're both "Germanic". :goodjob:
 
Azerbaijan is represented by Persia, Tunisia is represented by Carthage, All of Scandinavia is represented by Vikings, Ireland is represented as the British Isles, Arabs are everywhere on the Middle East that's why i colored them Orange and Turkey is represented by the Ottoman Empire.
Yes, I figured as such. I was just making a joke. ;)
 
First of all i never heard the name Viking Empire, Just Vikings, Viking Civilization, Norseman and Northman, Never Viking Empire..

to be an Empire you don't have to conquer other tribes/places.

Ok, are you trying to be racist or offensive?

I'm not sure but East Europe might even be bigger then West Europe if you count certain areas such as Greece and turkey. I'm looking at it right now.

here's a map of Europe for you

(snip silly map)

Orange is ones that are in civ 4.

Notice how West Europe is completely full while East Europe is completely empty except for Russia?

That could be because Russia and Greece are the only countries in eastern Europe which have exerted, or still exert, an influence on world civlization as a whole. Size doesn't matter; a lot of empty steppes don't matter unless the Mongols suddenly appear from them and turn Eurasia upside down. On top of that, I think Europe is overrepresented as it is. As far as I am concerned, they could take out some European civilizatiosn instead of adding more, and they could start with the Vikings, for all I care.

Incidentally, Turkey is not in Europe, apart from that little strip of land west of the Bosphorus. Ireland may be represented by the Celts, but it can't possibly be "represented by the British Isles". Tunisia is Arabic, not Carthaginian; the Punic language, and all Carthaginian traditions, died out a couple of centuries after the birth of Christ. The popualtion first became Romanized and then Arabs. Greenland sure isn't Scandinavian, and Azerbaijan isn't Persian despite the linguistic kinship, any more than Poland is Russian despite the linguistic kinship.

However, what it finally boils down to is this: Civ isn't the United Nations! What matters is historically important civilizations (which are also fun to play), not "geographical areas that must be given representation."
 
Technically, Azerbaijan is represented by Persia (Samarqand is a Persian city in the game), but otherwize I agree with you.

Don't ever say Poland could be represented by Russia and especially Germany in Poland, You'll get beaten up for that.
In Taiwan, you'd get beaten up for being pro-Communist.

So by that logic, all communist leaders (Mao and Stalin) shouldn't be in the game.
 
Samarqand is an Uzbek city and it was under the Persian empire.
 
Azerbaijan is represented by Persia, Tunisia is represented by Carthage, All of Scandinavia is represented by Vikings, Ireland is represented as the British Isles, Arabs are everywhere on the Middle East that's why i colored them Orange and Turkey is represented by the Ottoman Empire.
I hope you're not suggesting that Belgium is being "represented" by The Netherlands! :mad: Although we do have historical ties of course. The ideas of ancient civilizatiosn/empires being represented by modern nation-states is quite rediculous by the way, because in most cases the historic links have become very small. E,g, The name of my own country refers to the "Belgae", a Gallic tribe who lived in the North of France and the Low Countries around the time of Julius Caesar. So they were a Celtic tribe. But at the end of the Western Roman Empire, they were invaded by the Franks, a Germanic tribe, and the Dutch Language is a decendant of West-Frankish.

Anyway, I don't think there's any need for more European civilizations. Even The Netherlands and Portugal weren't necessary IMO. I'd much rather see more "exotic" civs from Africa, Asia and Oceania.
 
Azerbaijan is represented by Persia, Tunisia is represented by Carthage, All of Scandinavia is represented by Vikings, Ireland is represented as the British Isles, Arabs are everywhere on the Middle East that's why i colored them Orange and Turkey is represented by the Ottoman Empire.

Your double standards greatly annoy and confuse me. Azerbaijan may have been part of Persia, but it was also part of many other empire, most recently Russia. You cannot cover up stupid mistakes with that. Why have you used a modern map with modern boundries? It makes no sense. Portugal, now represented, quite right. Germany and Russia over the last 200 years have covered most of Eastern Europe with the rest being under the Hapsburgs control, so I don't get the whole baltic states being unhighlighted if Azerbaijan being so. Belgium was part of Netherlands for a very long time, and at other points under the Holy Roman Empire, Franks & France. I actually think the biggest hole is where Austria should be as complete overlord of the Balkans, though the Ottomans and Byzantians can cover this well as well. Also ALL of North Africa by Carthage, if they were just Tunisia they would be laughed out of History like Belgium.

No Poland, no, no, no, are you high, no, no, no, no & shut the hell up. I had enough of this Poland discussion, winge somewhere else about it, not great enough, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was the best they ever where I that wasn't that great anyhow.

A forth Austrian, really. I'm a quarter Irish and I have no idea about the place. But I'm quite firm in my belief that my Irish blood gives me the knowladge aswell.

C'mon, the Germans kicked the ALP out of the Polish, and I'm 6'3 95kgs and can run the 100 m in 12.5 seconds, I'll take those poles on!

Yes, Gallipoli. Winston Churchills greatest plan ever. British, French and the glorious ANZACs'. The french brough more wine than people, the British landed and wasted time with a tea break and the ANZACs' were greeted with Machinegun nests with angry turks in them. It failed horribly and we never made it to Constantanople. But because of how awesome us Australians' where we made a water and bucket mecanism to make our guns fire that we left there to cover up our escape. Gallipoli was a difining moment, but we still are not big enough to become a civ, better than Poland however.

Oh, anything else. That's right. Every game we still fear Hitler too much to put him in, we show he still wins.
 
"cNo Poland, no, no, no, are you high, no, no, no, no & shut the hell up. I had enough of this Poland discussion, winge somewhere else about it, not great enough, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was the best they ever where I that wasn't that great anyhow. "

:lol: the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was an extremely powerful union, which made the Polish VERY powerful. They had the largest army in the world. The problem was that even though Poland was incredibly strong, it was surrounded by uncooperative countries. Their diplomatic stance with Prussia, Austria and Russia was poor - very poor - and that was actually the reason why they did lose so much land over the times. They was surrounded by enemies. Initially, Poland could beat the heck out of all the countries - even Austria (This is about 1500 or something...)

"But I'm quite firm in my belief that my Irish blood gives me the knowladge aswell.

C'mon, the Germans kicked the ALP out of the Polish, and I'm 6'3 95kgs and can run the 100 m in 12.5 seconds, I'll take those poles on!"


lol... seriously? my Irish blood? physical advantage? Hope it was a joke, it's really ridiculous...
 
That's right. Every game we still fear Hitler too much to put him in, we show he still wins.
For the 86,584,683,296,462nd time, Hitler isn't put in the game because he was a psychotic idiot who lead his country into the most brutal defeat in history. Not great leader material.I mean, the man refused to build heavy bombers because he thought that having a larger number of medium bombers looked more impressive.
The fact that some people would consider his presence offensive is another matter altogether.
 
Actually he used light to medium bombers because he thought that in europe at least he could use his blitzkrieg tactics which did take down France, Norway, Denmark, Poland... And worst defeat in History... I can think of many worse defeats, the only difference was this time they had modern technology. Hitler did some impressive things and stupid things. So did Napoleon, Stalin and everyother leader in history. Winston Churchill is hated by anyone older than 60 in Australia because he planned Gallipoli and during the second world war took all of Australia's troops to Europe leaving South East Asia open to attack. Which, japs on bicycles did quite effectivly. I would say he is very deserving. How many leaders can make economically destroyed nations into economic-military super powers in 6-8 years and take on the entire world for 6 years. Come on, tell me some. So far I can think of Hitler.
 
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