What 10 Civilizations will be in Beyond the Sword?

[Hitti-Litti]

Mughals/Moghuls

Forgot about them completely. Great suggestion.

 

[MusX]

I really would like that could be Poland in the ten added.
There is even petition for this: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/224875277?ltl=1175424853

 

[Gladi]

paris....oh nooo!!!
he is coward,ı think hector is the best leader for trojans..

How? Yes he is not best with sword, but I think being raised as a herdsman instead of prince has more to do with that then any of his personal qualities.

On the next African civilization people see to favour Ethiopia greatly... hmm.

 

[tantaluss]

As we already know Portugal, Holland, Babylon and Souix my votes go for;
Sumeria
Isreal
Syria
Italy
Byzantium
Austria

If I could I would take out the Souix and Zulus, as these were not civilizations and replace them with the Etheopians and the Maya.

It's stupid having non-civilized non-urban peoples such as the Souix or the Zulus, or asking for people such as the Aboriganies.
It's equally stupid to say that cultures should be included on the basis of geography.

The game is called civilization, not 'countries-on-different-continents' or 'who-won-what-war' therefore cultures should be measured in terms of their contributions to civilization, not any other factor. It's stupid complaining that there is a bias towards civilizations from one area or another, beacuse its pointless to put a less worthwhile civilization on in place of another only because the more worthy civ was from a continent where many civilizations had already existed.

 

[Kietharr]

So now you have the absoulute power to define what a civilization is, tantaluss? Just because they didn't develop like other civilizations dosn't make them barbarians. They had a power structure, society, politics, and war, how is THAT not a civilization? Just because they didn't make any big buildings to become ruins for us to study?

 

[Hitti-Litti]

^^

With that definition most of world's nations would be civilizations...

 

[Scaramanga]

My bets?

I think they're going to put in pretty much all the remaining civs that have been included in previous Civilization games (I,II,III) but are not yet featured in IV. The number happens to equal exactly 10:

Portugal
Netherlands
Babylonia
Souix
Hittites
Byzantines
Austria*
Sumeria
Maya
Iroquois

*Austria wasn't officially in Civilization III but the unit and leader head artwork was included in C3: Conquests.

 

[Corporal P]

My bets?

I think they're going to put in pretty much all the remaining civs that have been included in previous Civilization games (I,II,III) but are not yet featured in IV. The number happens to equal exactly 10:

Portugal
Netherlands
Babylonia
Souix
Hittites
Byzantines
Austria*
Sumeria
Maya
Iroquois

*Austria wasn't officially in Civilization III but the unit and leader head artwork was included in C3: Conquests.

It seems logical to me, and it is likely the case that Firaxis would go along that line of adding good old CIVs, once featured in previous games. And the fact that they add up to exactly 10 CIVs. Hmm, very interesting. I guess all we can do now is wait for the next press release.

 

[sourboy]

I really would like that could be Poland in the ten added.
There is even petition for this: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/224875277?ltl=1175424853

Signed....

 

[mitsho]

But, and that's the big point, Firaxis has always put in new fresh blood as well (hint: Mali). So they are likely to do that again, with one or two civs:
Poland and a South East Asian one...

mick

 

[Pratputajao]

Since there're probably 2 places for Asia, i think Viet - Siam/Khmer would be better than Siam - Khmer or Siam - Burma (they are almost the same). And if you dont know, the the Great Viet empire (aka Annamese Empire) covered most parts of the modern day Laos, Cambodia, and some big parts of Thailand and Burma

Yes I agree with Koelle on this. As Siam and Khmer are quite similar in respect to culture. I think a good representation of SE asia (after gun powder) would definately be Vientam and Siam- 2 very differant cultures almost next door to each other. If you can have what, 6+ european civs two for SE asia isnt a stretch.

Cool map Koelle. Is that yours? Is it an original? I have never seen a map like that, I mean with An annam empire like that. I would guess that was made for a very specific time- between 1833 and 1845 for that is only time Vietnam held Cambodia uncontested. Ater 1845 Cambodia was considered part of the Siamese empire (until the French took it) Most maps I see from the era look like this--

What era was that map from? (I cant really make out details on it too well)

And for that matter, Khmer, Siam and Burma are too influenced by India. It is also believed that they are descendants of the once powerful Hundred Viet, who ruled most of Southern China and Nothern South East Asia.

Also AFAIK Thai people are not related to Vietnamese in any way that I know of? (If I read your statement above correctly? If not sorry) Thai People are thought to have originally come out of a region near Tibet thousands of years ago. HOWEVER they may have mixed with Vietnamese decedants when many (thai) were in Nan Chao (Non zhao chinese). Where did you read that Thai/Burman/Khmer decendend from the 100 Viet? Like I said I have never seen this

Very interesting. Please take this post as it is intended, as an honest interest in the Vietnamese Country and people as I have studied it/them only briefly

thanks

 

[Antilogic]

Hmm...I don't know much about Southeast Asian history. Although they could be a candidate.

For some reason, I have that strange feeling that we'll be seeing Theodora of the Byzantines again...

 

[Frodawg]

I'm thinking the Franks will finally be in based on concept art
I'd love to see
Byzantines
Iroqouis
Ethiopia
HUns
And my curveball Timurids though Mughals is more likely

 

[CiverDan]

I would expect to see Babylon, Hittite, Byzantines & Maya again. Austria is a possibility, although less so. I myself dont want to see Sumer again..At least no enkidues (please have a different UU if Sumer is in the game).

 

[sourboy]

Well, as bad as it is in terms of etiquette, I don't see the need for 2 Amerindian tribes, as they weren't huge in terms of Civs... They were big enough to note (in a region that is otherwise unrepresented), but not enough to break them down into various Civs -- at least while there are so many other potential Civs who could be added.

I just really hope they spread them out some, adding like Poland, Khmer, Maya, another African Civ, etc

 

[Pratputajao]

Hmm...I don't know much about Southeast Asian history. Although they could be a candidate.

For some reason, I have that strange feeling that we'll be seeing Theodora of the Byzantines again...

Yeah most folks dont know much about SE asia- Vietnam war, Angkor war, The king and I.... Its too bad becouse there is a veried and interesting history. It is as interesting in many ways as European History at a corrasponding time. Also it was quite wealthy. Ayuthaya (former capital of Siam) was reported by many visitors as A city of more wealth and people than either Paris or london at the same time (16th centuary) and the city of Hue (Vietnam) was one of the most populous cities in the world and quite wealthy as well.

I think if more people knew the history there would have been a much larger outcry for their inclusion. Right now I would much rather see Vietnam or Siam in then Khmer simply becouse of the fact that the sequel focuses on a more modern time. Since Siam became a kingdom (13th cent) the Khmer state rather rapidly faded and was controled from Ayuthaya or Hanoi for most of the time

 

[LucyDuke]

No it's not. Then modders could add other leaders to the Native American tribes without having to create a whole new civ. I think comparing that to boxing all the europeans into one group is a little extreme.

So, wouldn't having a European civ allow modders to add leaders of other European nations without creating a whole new civ? That might pacify the Poland warriors. I'm very surprised that you can't see the diversity of America as well as the diversity of Europe. Making it easy on modders is not a very good reason.

 

[Fuzzz]

To all those who are pro-Vatican: which cities will this civilization be having?
*Vatican City 1
*Vatican City 2
*Vatican City 3
*...

 

[GoodSarmatian]

For some reason, I have that strange feeling that we'll be seeing Theodora of the Byzantines again...

Please not Theodora . There were much better rulers who actually ruled.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

To all those who are pro-Vatican: which cities will this civilization be having?

I would be pro-Vatican in the sense of the "apostolic palace," which I'm told is supposed to work like the U.N. However, as a Civ, this would not do well at all. The Vatican is better left to be implemented some other way.