What civ would you want in as the dark horse

[phaethon16]

Well, that's unfortunate. I'm just working from what I'm hearing though. You said you feel the need to defend Theodora. You don't feel the need to defend Justinian. And you're talking about her puruing an agenda for women's rights, which is a bit of a reach. So I feel like there is some personal politic at work.

Having said that, I don't think much of either of them as far as being leaders of their respective. Clearly neither had any sense of obligation to their subjects. Their reign is a testament to self-indulgence.

On the whole, I don't really lionize many of Civ's leaders. Pretty much the only thing I admire in a leader is his ability to promote infrastructure, and Civ V has a tendency to promote warmongers.. That was the trend back in the day.

I feel the need to defend her because she's the one under fire. Also, if you made the same criticisms of Justinian, you'd have more of a point and I wouldn't disagree as much. I would still defend him, just not as much because the criticisms are more true for him. That said, I respect your admiration for leaders that promote infrastructure. I disagree with you about Justinian and Theodora, but you're right that there are too many war mongers in Civ 5.

 

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[OzzyKP]

Great to see Hungary in the lead!! Definitely the most deserving of the bunch!

 

[phaethon16]

I think that Hungary would be a great addition to civ 5, but it has a better chance of getting in as a dlc sadly. I'm a little peeved about it, because Hungary totally deserves it, but with Poland already in and a supposed emphasis on non-European nations (although that could be wrong) I think that Hungary's going to have to wait a bit. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Gothic_Empire]

Dark Horse?

Um.

The alien race from their other game, I guess. Any political or ethnic grouping seems reasonably anticipated otherwise.

 

[Njegos]

I heard some kind of real life hobits lived in Indonesia and they got extinct few thousands years ago so u can put em in new prehistoric era

 

[Tycho Brahe]

I'm a fan of the ancient civs like hittites and phoenicians. I don't se the need for more european civs like Hungary, Italy, Finland, Poland .... oops!

Let's face it, theres a bilion small european nations with inflated egos. They can't all get in. They should't all get in.

 

[phaethon16]

I heard some kind of real life hobits lived in Indonesia and they got extinct few thousands years ago so u can put em in new prehistoric era

Could fit in with the new archaeology mechanic with an ability like "walking prehistoric exhibit" where every time you found a city a digsite is made that you can tap into later.

 

[nunor]

I'm a fan of the ancient civs like hittites and phoenicians. I don't se the need for more european civs like Hungary, Italy, Finland, Poland .... oops!

Let's face it, theres a bilion small european nations with inflated egos. They can't all get in. They should't all get in.

Firaxis set a precedent with Poland... Now that they saw insistence and spamming pay off, every fan of every small nation will claim the right of their countries to be in Civilization too.

 

[Zodan_Mir]

I could see the Holy Roman Empire making a comeback, actually. Maybe as the Carolingians. When you look at history, the Carolingians--and specifically Charlemagne--were kind of important to the early formation (and defense) of Christianity in Europe. Besides, who says all the new civs have to be linked to new BNW systems. A solid religious civ wouldn't be too crazy.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Let's face it, theres a bilion small european nations with inflated egos. They can't all get in. They should't all get in.

Absolutely agreed
That's why only the most significant European powers should get in: Hungary and Portugal

Firaxis set a precedent with Poland... Now that they saw insistence and spamming pay off, every fan of every small nation will claim the right of their countries to be in Civilization too.

Hehh, not at all
The inclusion of Poland had nothing to do with "insistence and spamming"
They were a fan favourite, because they are worthy enough for a civ slot
Poland was one of the most significant European powers for hundreds of years

It always was a very deserving civ in the franchise, and after GnK it was right on top with Hungary and Portugal from the left-out European powers
You are trying to put these civs on the same level as most minor european nations, which were not significant enough

 

[Xger]

Their UA could let them build cities in the ocean and turn any tile wothin their borders into a sea tile. THEY COULD BE LED BY POSEIDON!

I was thinking Poseidon as well. The UB could be a replacement for the Palace - Poseidon's Palace. And the UU could be a trident master.

 

[phaethon16]

Absolutely agreed
That's why only the most significant European powers should get in: Hungary and Portugal



Hehh, not at all
The inclusion of Poland had nothing to do with "insistence and spamming"
They were a fan favourite, because they are worthy enough for a civ slot
Poland was one of the most significant European powers for hundreds of years

It always was a very deserving civ in the franchise, and after GnK it was right on top with Hungary and Portugal from the left-out European powers
You are trying to put these civs on the same level as most minor european nations, which were not significant enough

Yeah, after Portugal, Hungary, and maybe (emphasis on maybe) Italy, Europe should be done. Also, of those three I only want Portugal in BNW. The others could combine in one last European dlc. (There could be other dlcs, just without Europeans, or maybe another expansion after this one.)

 

[Væringjar]

Khazars or Kievan Rus'

 

[Nyanko]

A real dark Horse; the Gokturks... Or have we had enough of Nomadic civs?

 

[cybrxkhan]

A real dark Horse; the Gokturks... Or have we had enough of Nomadic civs?

I'm afraid that that's what the devs feel. I mean until G&K for all of the series' history, the Mongols have been the only representation of the many nomadic groups spanning centuries if not thousands of years of history.

Any of the nomadic groups/empires would be nice to see - Gokturks, Khazars, Kushans, Seljuks, Xiongnu, Khitan, Dzungars, Manchu, Timurids, Crimean Tatars, Parthians, Scythians, etc. I mean, some of those are real long shots, but there's a lot that Mongolia simply can't represent by itself.

 

[Torwaechter]

Khazars would be awesome, so unique...

Poland is justified, they played a strong role in European history. I don't like to downsize Hungary but Poland deserved its spot. With Sweden in and Austria and Turkey and Russia and Germany - Poland filled a gap on the European map. It fought wars against all of those mentioned, alliance partner for France and England, and played a big role in terms of democracy and opposition of totalitarian ideologies. A perfect civ.
(I only don't like their choice of UA - not very creative in my eyes...)

There are some good points for Hungary but not enough, I don't think it will make the jump. And since it has become very right-wing and nationalistic nowadays...

 

[ScottMcPwn]

Argentina.

Why?:

- We already have 3/9 male leaders, Firaxis will try to even the scales including at least 2 or 3 famale leaders. Enter Eva Perón "spiritual leader of Argentina" and very well known thanks to the musical/movie.

- Prior to Brazil i wasn't sure that firaxis will include any latin-american modern country, but with Brazil in thats no longer the case (this can work both ways though. Maybe TWO latin american modern countries is too much to include in a single expansion).

- Argentina can also make sense with the expansion Theme "Brave NEW WORLD", tourism (tango!) and trade ("Granary of the world" as an UA Maybe?)

I still think is VERY Far fetched, so.. it would really be a Dark Horse.

Perhaps Argentina can have the ability to claim other peoples land because it is closer to their capital? Would be quite accurate.

 

[PhilBowles]

Perhaps Argentina can have the ability to claim other peoples land because it is closer to their capital? Would be quite accurate.

Not in a Civ context, since claiming the lands in reality doesn't imply any actual ability to control or govern them. More appropriate would be for Argentina to have a very strong "They covet lands that you own" diplo penalty with the player...

 

[PhilBowles]

Hehh, not at all
The inclusion of Poland had nothing to do with "insistence and spamming"
They were a fan favourite, because they are worthy enough for a civ slot
Poland was one of the most significant European powers for hundreds of years

It always was a very deserving civ in the franchise, and after GnK it was right on top with Hungary and Portugal from the left-out European powers
You are trying to put these civs on the same level as most minor european nations, which were not significant enough

More modern Poland also fits as the "ideology civ" (hence the UA), so fitting one of the expansion themes widely speculated to have an associated theme.