What civ would you want in as the dark horse

[Hannibal XIII]

The Sokoto Caliphate led by Usman dan Fodio.

 

[KaneofEgypt]

I was thinking Poseidon as well. The UB could be a replacement for the Palace - Poseidon's Palace. And the UU could be a trident master.

... Is it wrong that I was totally imagining the Atlantean civ earlier? Every aspect of it, especially the ocean cities.

God we need new info

 

[phaethon16]

Not in a Civ context, since claiming the lands in reality doesn't imply any actual ability to control or govern them. More appropriate would be for Argentina to have a very strong "They covet lands that you own" diplo penalty with the player...

Yeah, it makes sense with the Falklands dispute which is ongoing. I think Argentina's ability would be more of an ideological ability, representing the dictators or populists of Latin America. I know it's sort of a long shot, but I really want Argentina to be the dark horse civ, led by Eva Peron.

 

[Kahless26]

Perhaps Argentina can have the ability to claim other peoples land because it is closer to their capital? Would be quite accurate.

Don't know if i should take that as an insult

I think Argentina can have a trade related UA, something like getting a bigger income for trading food maybe, reflecting the golden age of the agro exports in the early XX century. I'm still not sure how the trade mechanics in the game will work though.

More Wild Speculation: Leader Eva Peron, UU: Grenadier Cavalry (stronger than cavalry, can cross mountains like Cartaghe's units), UB: Tango School (replace theater, gives happiness and tourism).

 

[Nyanko]

I'm afraid that that's what the devs feel. I mean until G&K for all of the series' history, the Mongols have been the only representation of the many nomadic groups spanning centuries if not thousands of years of history.

But isnt that what makes a civ like the Gokturks a dark horse?

Don't know if i should take that as an insult

More Wild Speculation: Leader Eva Peron, UU: Grenadier Cavalry (stronger than cavalry, can cross mountains like Cartaghe's units), UB: Tango School (replace theater, gives happiness and tourism).

I would if I were Argentinian
That UB really gives me a laugh, its quite good and suits the Expansion greatly

 

[phaethon16]

Don't know if i should take that as an insult

I think Argentina can have a trade related UA, something like getting a bigger income for trading food maybe, reflecting the golden age of the agro exports in the early XX century. I'm still not sure how the trade mechanics in the game will work though.

More Wild Speculation: Leader Eva Peron, UU: Grenadier Cavalry (stronger than cavalry, can cross mountains like Cartaghe's units), UB: Tango School (replace theater, gives happiness and tourism).

I don't think that Argentina would have a trade baded ability because of all the other theorhetorical trading civs. You do bring up a good point though relating to the agro production, so maybe something to do with that. Also, wouldn't the unique unit be the gaucho? Tango School is a pretty cool idea .

 

[doge]

Those uu and ua are good ideas for the civ.

The leader of Argentina should be Jose de San Martin, Sarmiento or even J.D Peron but not Eva but if we got Theodora as leader of the bizantines, why not?

Anyway i dont see Argentina in this expansion, but it would be great as the antagonist of Brazil in South America.

 

[phaethon16]

Those uu and ua are good ideas for the civ.

The leader of Argentina should be Jose de San Martin, Sarmiento or even J.D Peron but not Eva but if we got Theodora as leader of the bizantines, why not?

Anyway i dont see Argentina in this expansion, but it would be great as the antagonist of Brazil in South America.

Why shouldn't she be leader? I think she makes more sense than San Martin because she represents Argentina as a mature nation, its people, and its ideology all in one, rather than just its revolution. Besides, shes too iconic to pass up for someone else. (Also, if you look back a few pages you'll see the arguments for and against Theodora, but don't include anything about her in replies because the moderator forbade it.) Sadly though, you're probably right about Argentina, but it still has a chance.

 

[cybrxkhan]

But isnt that what makes a civ like the Gokturks a dark horse?

Oh, right. We're talking about dark horses here, my bad.

Otherwise yeah, I'd love to see the Gokturks. Well, anyone from the Silk Road, to be honest - Kushans, Seljuks, Uighurs, Parthians, Khitan, someone to represent there.

 

[PerceeP927]

Theodoric the Great - Goths

Simon Bolivar - Gran Colombia

 

[turingmachine]

Theodoric the Great - Goths

If they were going to add the Goths they would have done it in the last expansion and included it in the Fall of Rome scenario as a full civ. I fear their ship has passed.

 

[MAHRana]

Would Sumer be considered a dark horse? Among the first actual civilizations and all.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Considering Ur is a new City State, it would be quite surprising to see them

 

[MAHRana]

Considering Ur is a new City State, it would be quite surprising to see them

Ah okay then

 

[Homusubi]

Ryukyu!

 

[Hakuoh]

I would like to see Prussia.
Prussia existed long before the modern Germany and they would fit in with Poland since they fought many wars with them. Even so they where warmongering and attaked austria / france and russia many times.

Leader Friedrich der Große (Frederik the great)
Capital Königsberg

ua: Preußens Gloria (Prussian Glory)
33% reduced Land Unit coast / while at war with another Nation all landunits get +1 ms.

Uu: Deutscher Kreuzritter (Teutonic Knight) Replaced Swordman has +2 Combat and 33% vs mounted units.
Uu: Preußische Landwehrkavallerie (Prussian cavalry) replaced Cavalry and has + 4 Combat and 10% Bonus when in Enemy teretory.


Otherwise i could also see this fit in..
Uu: Spielmannszug: replaces Great General gives 20% Combat Bonus instead of 15% and heals wounded Units 5 per turn.
Since the Prussian always had drums and flutes at every war.

 

[Loaf Warden]

I'd like to see Simon Bolivar finally make his Civ debut. (He's been in Colonization, but never in Civ proper.) I have no idea what the UA/UU/etc. would be, but it's a little odd that he's been left out this long. The inclusion of Brazil makes Gran Colombia seem less unlikely than it would have before, though it's still probably a dark horse.

(And it should be called "Gran Colombia", despite the slight anachronism of the name, because just "Colombia" has different connotations to a modern audience. Even leaving aside the inevitable jokes about a cocaine farm UI or a UA called "Shakira's Hips" or something, the name "Gran Colombia" would clarify what entity is meant and stave off complaints about why Caracas and Quito are on Colombia's city list. . . .)

 

[Homusubi]

The problem with Prussia is that Bismarck was a Prussian, and he's already in the game. It also covers land seen as both Germany and Poland.

P.S. One of the reasons why I want Ryukyu in is that it would make good use of the trading element, seeing as they were Japan's link with China.

 

[Dragonflow]

I would like to see Prussia.
Prussia existed long before the modern Germany and they would fit in with Poland since they fought many wars with them. Even so they where warmongering and attaked austria / france and russia many times.

Leader Friedrich der Große (Frederik the great)
Capital Königsberg

ua: Preußens Gloria (Prussian Glory)
33% reduced Land Unit coast / while at war with another Nation all landunits get +1 ms.

Uu: Deutscher Kreuzritter (Teutonic Knight) Replaced Swordman has +2 Combat and 33% vs mounted units.
Uu: Preußische Landwehrkavallerie (Prussian cavalry) replaced Cavalry and has + 4 Combat and 10% Bonus when in Enemy teretory.


Otherwise i could also see this fit in..
Uu: Spielmannszug: replaces Great General gives 20% Combat Bonus instead of 15% and heals wounded Units 5 per turn.
Since the Prussian always had drums and flutes at every war.

Prussia is not really a civilization, it's a cultural group within the German culture. This would be like adding Yorkshire or Burgundy as civs, both are just subgroups within their respective civs.

 

[Hakuoh]

Prussia is not really a civilization, it's a cultural group within the German culture. This would be like adding Yorkshire or Burgundy as civs, both are just subgroups within their respective civs.

Thats not true..
in the time Prussia ruled the german states where part of the Holyromanempire.
Later on Prussia and Germany became one state. And after WW 2 Prussias parts where given to Poland and Russia.

Its like saying you cant have the irokes because they belong to America now.