What civs are missing from Civ3?
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Syrus_Knife
Sifted Silaphi
Most of them are in the UNations package 
GenMaryKatarian
Chieftain
Actually the Byzantines are more like the Greeks than the Romans.
I think don't think using either "Vikings" or "Scandinavia" would be too good. Why not use Norse or Norsemen or Nordics? Or maybe even Normans, as the descendants of the France settled norse are called. Normans would also be a significant culture!
If you're looking for an other European culture (Poland being there suggested), might I suggest a different one? The huge region of Northern Eurasia from Norway to the other side of Ural Mountains, and from the Arctic sea to the steppes of Ukraine was inhabited by a culture zone that is rarely mentined, the Finnic people. They're are as old an European culture zone as you can get, for only them and the Basque were not run over by the Indoeuropean agricultural culture (the languages of the Finnic peoples are so old, they include loans from the Proto-Indoeuropean languages that Sanscrite, Latin, Greece and so on are descendants).
Well, actually it would be more right to say, that some Finnic and Basque managed to keep their own culture. Great many Finnic peoples were assimilated by the Iranian, Slavonic and Germanic peoples. Today there is only 3 independent countries where that Stone Age Finnic language has survived as the language of the majority: Finland, Estonia and Hungary. Latvia is a country where the language change from Finnic to Slavic has occured most recently. In Russia there's still living about two dozen Finnic language minority groups.
What would the Finnic culture zone then be like? Well, while the agricultural revolution took the sothern part of the Europe, the
northern half remained a foraging culture, and gradually moved to slash and burn culture. Fur trade was very important to at least Finns, who traded their fur to Romans and other Europeans, via Germanic peoples. Buring Iron Age and Crusade era there was a continuing fur trade war in Finland where about 100 wooden hiltop forts were built by rivers to secure the hunting grounds. In Finland graves of both women and men include weapons in the Iron age. Some female graves have included several well made swords (domestic and Central-European). Male graves also included a set of spears, shield center and hose bits.
The Finnic people would definately be shamanic. Still today shamanism is practiced by some of these people. From the Middle Ages onward Finland was the other half of the kingdom of Sweden - the part that most of the soldiers came. The kingdom of Sweden (like the Finns before that) were in constant war with Russia, and so the veteran army was often the Finnish one.
If you're looking for an other European culture (Poland being there suggested), might I suggest a different one? The huge region of Northern Eurasia from Norway to the other side of Ural Mountains, and from the Arctic sea to the steppes of Ukraine was inhabited by a culture zone that is rarely mentined, the Finnic people. They're are as old an European culture zone as you can get, for only them and the Basque were not run over by the Indoeuropean agricultural culture (the languages of the Finnic peoples are so old, they include loans from the Proto-Indoeuropean languages that Sanscrite, Latin, Greece and so on are descendants).
Well, actually it would be more right to say, that some Finnic and Basque managed to keep their own culture. Great many Finnic peoples were assimilated by the Iranian, Slavonic and Germanic peoples. Today there is only 3 independent countries where that Stone Age Finnic language has survived as the language of the majority: Finland, Estonia and Hungary. Latvia is a country where the language change from Finnic to Slavic has occured most recently. In Russia there's still living about two dozen Finnic language minority groups.
What would the Finnic culture zone then be like? Well, while the agricultural revolution took the sothern part of the Europe, the
northern half remained a foraging culture, and gradually moved to slash and burn culture. Fur trade was very important to at least Finns, who traded their fur to Romans and other Europeans, via Germanic peoples. Buring Iron Age and Crusade era there was a continuing fur trade war in Finland where about 100 wooden hiltop forts were built by rivers to secure the hunting grounds. In Finland graves of both women and men include weapons in the Iron age. Some female graves have included several well made swords (domestic and Central-European). Male graves also included a set of spears, shield center and hose bits.
The Finnic people would definately be shamanic. Still today shamanism is practiced by some of these people. From the Middle Ages onward Finland was the other half of the kingdom of Sweden - the part that most of the soldiers came. The kingdom of Sweden (like the Finns before that) were in constant war with Russia, and so the veteran army was often the Finnish one.
Inspired by my previous post, in this post I thought to write something about a cavalry forgotten (or poorly known) by Anglo-Saxon history writing, but what was the deadliest cavalry force in the 17th century Europe!
During Thirty Years War in the 17th century there was a famous Finnish cavalry unit, the Hakkapeliitta-cavalry, that was the decisive force of Gustafus Adoplhus (the Snow King). This Finnish cavalry unit had previously in the Poland's War ended the long glorious history of Polish cavalry by vanquishing them in the Battle of Wallhoff 1625. The following decades the Finnish Hakkapeliitta cavalry trashed every Central European cavalry that they faced. A major battle for the Hakkapeliitta was the Battle of Breitenfeld September 7th, 1631, where they trashed Warmarshal Pappenheim's 6 heavily armored Vallonian cuirassier regiments (in addition the Hakkapeliitta took Tilly's artillery and trashed 4 Tilly's elite infantry regiments that he had kept in reserve). In the battle of Lüzen 1632 Hakkapeliitta gained victory over the Polish and Croatian cavalries (the Croatian cavalry was the "finest of the emperor", most feared force of the German emperor). Gustavus Adolphus himself often commanded the Finnish cavalry, since their important force in the battle, but well known also as Hakkapeliitta commanders are colonels Stålhandske and Wunch.
Here's couple of info bits of the Hakkapeliitta:
The Finnish cavalry was known as the Hakkapeliitta, after their war cry "hakkaa päälle!" which translates as "knock them down". That was also the battle tactics of the cavalry: unlike Western European cavalries of the era that made maneuvers to be able to shoot, the Finnish cavalry trusted on swift charge and melee combat. The cavalry was armed with long sabres, their leathermail was made of elk hide and they wore a steel helmet. The color of the uniform was gray. The horses were Finnish horses (suomenhevonen) that were not too big, but could perform long without tiring. Each man in the Hakkapeliitta was a voluntary. The Finnish peasants got a tax relief if they maintained a cavalry soldier (so they were usually sons of the landowning peasants).
A French mercenary described in his diary the Hakkapeliitta followingly: "Finns are mostly short by growth, but very courageous and withstand well hard conditions. They can live with small food rations and don't care for luxuries. The German weather they think is mild even during the winter, compared to the cold climate of their home country. They are real ironeaters, for they aren't afraid of any kind of weapons and none of them have been wounded from behind. If someone of them should show his back to the enemy, the others wouldn't consider him a Finn any more. It is fun to watch them preparing for the battle. They have their own whetstones with them, and as soon as the drums start drumming, they start sharpen their swords. From distance one could think it's a band of butchers sharpening their tools, or men preparing to harvest hay. But you don't want to play with the Finns, when battle begins!"
Fun info: Still today Finns shout "hakkaa päälle" for example in icehockey games to cheer their team.
During Thirty Years War in the 17th century there was a famous Finnish cavalry unit, the Hakkapeliitta-cavalry, that was the decisive force of Gustafus Adoplhus (the Snow King). This Finnish cavalry unit had previously in the Poland's War ended the long glorious history of Polish cavalry by vanquishing them in the Battle of Wallhoff 1625. The following decades the Finnish Hakkapeliitta cavalry trashed every Central European cavalry that they faced. A major battle for the Hakkapeliitta was the Battle of Breitenfeld September 7th, 1631, where they trashed Warmarshal Pappenheim's 6 heavily armored Vallonian cuirassier regiments (in addition the Hakkapeliitta took Tilly's artillery and trashed 4 Tilly's elite infantry regiments that he had kept in reserve). In the battle of Lüzen 1632 Hakkapeliitta gained victory over the Polish and Croatian cavalries (the Croatian cavalry was the "finest of the emperor", most feared force of the German emperor). Gustavus Adolphus himself often commanded the Finnish cavalry, since their important force in the battle, but well known also as Hakkapeliitta commanders are colonels Stålhandske and Wunch.
Here's couple of info bits of the Hakkapeliitta:
The Finnish cavalry was known as the Hakkapeliitta, after their war cry "hakkaa päälle!" which translates as "knock them down". That was also the battle tactics of the cavalry: unlike Western European cavalries of the era that made maneuvers to be able to shoot, the Finnish cavalry trusted on swift charge and melee combat. The cavalry was armed with long sabres, their leathermail was made of elk hide and they wore a steel helmet. The color of the uniform was gray. The horses were Finnish horses (suomenhevonen) that were not too big, but could perform long without tiring. Each man in the Hakkapeliitta was a voluntary. The Finnish peasants got a tax relief if they maintained a cavalry soldier (so they were usually sons of the landowning peasants).
A French mercenary described in his diary the Hakkapeliitta followingly: "Finns are mostly short by growth, but very courageous and withstand well hard conditions. They can live with small food rations and don't care for luxuries. The German weather they think is mild even during the winter, compared to the cold climate of their home country. They are real ironeaters, for they aren't afraid of any kind of weapons and none of them have been wounded from behind. If someone of them should show his back to the enemy, the others wouldn't consider him a Finn any more. It is fun to watch them preparing for the battle. They have their own whetstones with them, and as soon as the drums start drumming, they start sharpen their swords. From distance one could think it's a band of butchers sharpening their tools, or men preparing to harvest hay. But you don't want to play with the Finns, when battle begins!"
Fun info: Still today Finns shout "hakkaa päälle" for example in icehockey games to cheer their team.
civilleader
Prince
I want:
Khmer
Inca
Ethiopia
Portugal
Austria-Hungary
Poland
Mali/Songhai/Benin/Ghana
Indonesia
I plan to remove the Celts from the game since they aren't as important as the other civs. They are also unfortunately for them in an unfavorable location with France and UK both of whom are far more important.
If civ had more space I'd have:
Sumeria
Israel
Assyria
Turkistan
Polynesia
Aborigenese
Brazil
Maya
Thailand
Tibet
Inuit
Sioux
Dutch
Zapotec
Argentina
Finland
Numbia
Kongo
Swahili
Maori (if not part of Polynesia)
Khmer
Inca
Ethiopia
Portugal
Austria-Hungary
Poland
Mali/Songhai/Benin/Ghana
Indonesia
I plan to remove the Celts from the game since they aren't as important as the other civs. They are also unfortunately for them in an unfavorable location with France and UK both of whom are far more important.
If civ had more space I'd have:
Sumeria
Israel
Assyria
Turkistan
Polynesia
Aborigenese
Brazil
Maya
Thailand
Tibet
Inuit
Sioux
Dutch
Zapotec
Argentina
Finland
Numbia
Kongo
Swahili
Maori (if not part of Polynesia)
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