What civs do you want in Civ 5 - Updated list

[Zyxpsilon]

Look where you're going there, Branson's been the first person to invest in my state (New Mexico) for 100 years. But anyways, I still don't think Canada has enough of a supporting base yet. Maybe when we get to 30, because it's already after Vikings, Carthage, Korea, and Mayans.

Oh, well... IF Quebecer Guy Laliberté (of Cirque Du Soleil fame) could afford a 25-30Mil$ Soyuz ticket to the ISS for 12 days in Space back in October'09 - i don't see why he or anyone else couldn't invest into the Northern Light project.
And be one of the first corporate investors to actually help sending our Universities_Driven little probe on Mars.

Nasa Shuttles are decommissioning anyway. And Baikonour capsules will still go to that orbital station. No more Canadarm(s) in the bay, though.

Support? It's not a statistical democratic voting process, ya know. Even if we're only about 35Mils out of 6.9Bils on Earth.

 

[Save_Ferris]

Shut up, at least NM has.... Balloons.
Holy off-topic arguments, Batman! We need to remember what this thread's about!
I've always wanted to see Prussia/Poland in the game. Does anyone have an idea about what one of their U's could be?

 

[awesome]

prussia's pretty much already represented by germany, especially with bismarck as the leader.

 

[Save_Ferris]

prussia's pretty much already represented by germany, especially with bismarck as the leader.

Okay then, Austria-Hungary? Since they never really got close to sea, they could have bonuses with hills.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

I've always wanted to see Prussia/Poland in the game. Does anyone have an idea about what one of their U's could be?

Yep... these;

UU; Sherman (replaces Tank) +1 Movement such as the Panzer, cost less!
UB; Factory that doesn't require Coal to be built and gives a 75% boost to production - Cost=250 - Maintenance=1
UA; Solidarność, Unemployed citizens still work on tiles if used as Specialists.

As already listed on page 1 by Pouakai.

 

[Kevin J]

I laughed when I saw your post, because I once played an Earth map where Augustus Caesar (your picture) was based in Canada. The problem with Canada, however, is that it's never been a world power (yet ) and the only people who want are Canadian, less than a fourth of civ players.

Even some Canadians (me) really dislike the idea of Canada as a civilization. We take up a lot of geographical space, but that's about it. I mean, really? Let's get some Mounties (now that the copyright is no longer owned by Disney), throw in some token prime minister from one of the dollar denominations, and call it a civilization.

No thanks. Give us a few hundred years more history as an independent nation first. While you can count our history from the time of the British North America act, we have really only been technically independent since 1981. Plus, we are barely a middle power, if that. We only get involved in wars as a tag-along, have little military to speak of. And no, that's not just me bashing the military - I served proudly in the forces, and we definitely have highly trained, capable people - but not enough of them to amount to even a division.

Yeah, please NO Canada. Fan mod, sure, go for it, have fun making maple syrup. But as an official civ, having Canada in the game would be as big a misstep as having the Fountain of Youth in the game.

 

[Save_Ferris]

Yep... these;

UU; Sherman (replaces Tank) +1 Movement such as the Panzer, cost less!
UB; Factory that doesn't require Coal to be built and gives a 75% boost to production - Cost=250 - Maintenance=1
UA; Solidarność, Unemployed citizens still work on tiles if used as Specialists.

As already listed on page 1 by Pouakai.

I assume this is Poland?

 

[Zyxpsilon]

...But as an official civ, having Canada in the game would be as big a misstep as having the Fountain of Youth in the game.

Then, there's plenty more even in this thread which deserve the very same Fantasy status. Back On-Topic.

 

[Kevin J]

Then, there's plenty more even in this thread which deserve the very same Fantasy status. Back On-Topic.

Heheh, that was clever. And yes, back on topic, apologies for my anti-Canada-as-a-civ rant. My country is kick-ass even though I don't want it in Civ.

 

[Save_Ferris]

Yes- what if Austria-Hungary could have an improvement on a pasture, a rifleman/cannon, and a UA related to reducing the cost of purchased units?

 

[Pouakai]

Rifleman/Cannon UUs could be good, there aren't any currently, are there?

 

[aatami]

New civ: The Finnish

Leader: Kaarlo Ståhlberg (first Finnis president, be free to suggest better. Maybe Kekkonen or Paasikivi?)
UA: Northern Stalwart (tundra tiles provide +1 food and +1 gold. Specialists provide +1 production. Free social policy when discovering Education.)
UU: Hakkapeliitta (replaces Knight, +20% combat strength when attacking.)
UB: Sauna (replaces Circus, no resource requirement, +1 food, in addition to it's normal bonuses.)

What do you think? Too strong? Not different enough?

Good ideas in the first post though, especially liked the Sioux, Kongo and the Maya.

 

[Save_Ferris]

I'm worried that they weren't influential enough compared to other possible civs.

 

[aatami]

I'm worried that they weren't influential enough compared to other possible civs.

We owned Russia in a war, if that counts. Besides, that shouldn't be the only thing that matters.
Plus, we are high on several modern county top-lists.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I think the attributes are fine, but I do echo the concern about influence. For much of its history, Finland was controlled/dominated by other powers. Since World War I when they gained independence, the result has been mixed. The height was fighting the Soviet Union to a standstill, which was impressive, but you also have to keep in mind that, during this period, the Soviet Union expanded their influence over most of the rest of Eastern Europe, which was more impressive. Then you have to consider that the adoption of a policy of neutrality during the Cold War, which, while admirable from a real world perspective, doesn't do much in a historical perspective of including the dominant, influential Civs of the time. They've raised their standard of living and often win lists related to that, but this isn't the same as being a world leader for their "golden age."

Don't get me wrong, I hope someone makes a Finish mod. Variety is the spice of life, after all. However, for a professional Civ, I'd argue they are very far down on a list of European civs, falling below (in no particular order) Netherlands, Portugal, Celts, Byzantium, Norse, Sweden, Venice, Poland (or Poland-Lithuania), and Austria (NOT Austria-Hungary, but the Hapsburgs before the dual-monarchy).

Also, I'm not sure if Hakkapeliitta is the best choice for a UU. IIRC, they were Finish troops that fought for Gustavus Adolphus. That almost suggests they're a better argument for a Swedish Civ than a Finish Civ. I'd argue that Finland is better represented by something suggesting modernity, not the middle ages/renaissance.

 

[aatami]

I think the attributes are fine, but I do echo the concern about influence. For much of its history, Finland was controlled/dominated by other powers. Since World War I when they gained independence, the result has been mixed. The height was fighting the Soviet Union to a standstill, which was impressive, but you also have to keep in mind that, during this period, the Soviet Union expanded their influence over most of the rest of Eastern Europe, which was more impressive. Then you have to consider that the adoption of a policy of neutrality during the Cold War, which, while admirable from a real world perspective, doesn't do much in a historical perspective of including the dominant, influential Civs of the time. They've raised their standard of living and often win lists related to that, but this isn't the same as being a world leader for their "golden age."

I agree, though I would like to point out that Finland beat the Soviet influence, a thing which other civilizations, which are considered more important, failed completely. I do not think historical significance the only factor for choosing civs. For one, Finnish genes are found all over the world in natives (without inter-ethnic marriage, or at least not in many many hundred years), from Basra-Iraq to South America, which I think is a small thing to also keep in mind. Also, the Finnish culture and people are unique and unlike anything else. They have managed to become a high standing, influential and very respected modern country, even though they live in almost uninhabitable lands.

Don't get me wrong, I hope someone makes a Finish mod. Variety is the spice of life, after all. However, for a professional Civ, I'd argue they are very far down on a list of European civs, falling below (in no particular order) Netherlands, Portugal, Celts, Byzantium, Norse, Sweden, Venice, Poland (or Poland-Lithuania), and Austria (NOT Austria-Hungary, but the Hapsburgs before the dual-monarchy).

I do agree that Finland isn't that much at the top of the line. Just wishing.
Plus, Finland has never officially been in any Civ. (Uncounting mods)

Also, I'm not sure if Hakkapeliitta is the best choice for a UU. IIRC, they were Finish troops that fought for Gustavus Adolphus. That almost suggests they're a better argument for a Swedish Civ than a Finish Civ. I'd argue that Finland is better represented by something suggesting modernity, not the middle ages/renaissance.

They are still Finnish, a famous part of Finnish history, and considered Finnish. Finnish history books talk about the Finnish Hakkapeliitta.

 

[awesome]

Also, I'm not sure if Hakkapeliitta is the best choice for a UU. IIRC, they were Finish troops that fought for Gustavus Adolphus. That almost suggests they're a better argument for a Swedish Civ than a Finish Civ. I'd argue that Finland is better represented by something suggesting modernity, not the middle ages/renaissance.

this just made me think about varangian guard being a unit for the byzantines. i guess it would be kind of like a mix between janissaries (because originally foreigners) and praetorians (because arguably not a real military unit), though.

 

[black213]

The UA is too strong. Either remove the extra tundra yield or specialist production.

Jäger - Infantry

The Jäger is invisible if in a Forest tile. +25% Combat Strength if it attacks after being one or more turns invisible.

This should replace the Sauna. Also, to make Hakkapeliitta more interesting:
+20% Combat Strength when attacking. May build Roads and Farms.

I thought of this because Hakkapeliittas were farmers (talonpoika), right?

 

[aatami]

The UA is too strong. Either remove the extra tundra yield or specialist production.

Jäger - Infantry

The Jäger is invisible if in a Forest tile. +25% Combat Strength if it attacks after being one or more turns invisible.

This should replace the Sauna. Also, to make Hakkapeliitta more interesting:
+20% Combat Strength when attacking. May build Roads and Farms.

I thought of this because Hakkapeliittas were farmers (talonpoika), right?

Tundra yield out it is. I hate civs that have two UU's, so I don't agree on that. UU's just have a military effect on one era, maybe a smaller one for the whole game via upgrading, whilst UB's impact the way the civ plays and is of immense importance. Also, the sauna is one of the most famous Finnish cultural tidbits.
The question is, should the Hakkapeliitta or Jäger (eikös olekin Jääkäreitä?) be the Finnish UU?

 

[Louis XXIV]

this just made me think about varangian guard being a unit for the byzantines. i guess it would be kind of like a mix between janissaries (because originally foreigners) and praetorians (because arguably not a real military unit), though.

That's a good example. Verangian Guards should be a unit for the Byzantines, not the Vikings/Norse (actually, they shouldn't be a unit for either because they weren't really good combat units and there are better choices for Byzantium, but that's besides the point).

BTW, I missed the specialist thing and the free SP (which is flat out something that should be removed, since that's quite powerful). I think the tundra yield is the better of the two options to keep because it'll help make Finland unique (their niche would be a strong civ in tundra areas). Besides, you've essentially given them a free Statue of Liberty and free Oracle, which would be absurd for any Civ to have.

My suggestion, tundra tiles provide +1 food, +1 gold, and +10% combat strength for units (to represent their ability to beat back the red army).