What civs do you want in Civ 5 - Updated list

[black213]

My suggestion, tundra tiles provide +1 food, +1 gold, and +10% combat strength for units (to represent their ability to beat back the red army).

Or perhaps in addition to the tundra bonus, what about +20% combat strength for units inside own borders?

I also thought of a Finnish trait for CiV some time ago:

The Land of Thousands of Lakes and Forests:
Lake tiles yield +2 Food and +3 Culture. Forest tiles yield +1 Culture.

 

[Save_Ferris]

What about tundra and snow tiles provide +1 or +2 gold?

 

[aatami]

I really wouldn't want to have Finland just a flat "Gets + ." civ, but something more unique.
Okay, here's my newest make of the Finnish:

Leader: Kaarlo Ståhlberg (first Finnis president, be free to suggest better. Maybe Kekkonen or Paasikivi?)
UA: Northern Stalwart (tundra tiles provide +1 food, +1 production and +1 gold. Snow tiles provide +1 gold.)
UU: Hakkapeliitta (replaces Knight, +20% combat strength when attacking. Can build roads, lumbermills and farms.)
UB: Sauna (replaces Circus, no resource requirement, +1 food, in addition to it's normal bonuses.)

 

[Save_Ferris]

Nice, but maybe the UU is overpowered. A nice all-around bonus is enough, then give it worker abilities? The UA might also seem a bit much if you take in the start bias near tundra.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Consider making the Hakkapeliitta a lancer replacement, since we're talking about something that would have fought in the 30 Years War.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Finland?

Okay, don't get me wrong as i don't really want to stir *ANY* political debate or even a scale of importance about anyone in or near Scandinavia.

But, if they are to ever be considered as a major; Norway, Sweden, Denmark & plenty more deserve a modern times reference into a scenario of European powers - somehow.

Once more we're getting into the Celts diluting "syndrome" of Brits that want England (looks familiar?), Scottish, Irish, Wal'ish and whatever else they could control internationally over the course of their conquest+colonizing+cultural Empire history.

CiV simply spreads its wings over Eras - pick one, or all at once.

If Finnish are in for any reasons, then the Netherlands (and not the Dutch, in fact) must as well as Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Italia, Algeria, Congo, Ukraine, Pakistan, Malaysia or even Australia (the list of National prides is very long).

Everyone knows how industrially inclined America still is and how the EU + China + Etc strike deals with it.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I already mentioned that Finland was ill-suited for a Firaxis Civ. But the list is what you want in Civ5 and I figure the discussion is useful for mods as well.

 

[Save_Ferris]

I have to agree there- it already has a city-state and there's another certain Scandanavian civ that much more people want.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

I already mentioned that Finland was ill-suited for a Firaxis Civ. But the list is what you want in Civ5 and I figure the discussion is useful for mods as well.

Even if *we* have no control over what Firaxis considers to be worthy of inclusion in *their* game... Mods will always stand as an alternative to *our* or anyone's needs - given.

But what i meant is that CFC membership is widespread internationally, you don't get to read much if anything *outside* the cultural edge of English communications.
Not everyone has the same opportunity - so to speak - to express how important they think *their* country is on the world scale.

For me, Finland is a modern "Result" of extremely complex European history.

Take WW2 as a pivotal twist if you want - but the political dynamics changed since and certainly lead to Cold-War mechanics.
The Berlin wall, Gorbatchev reforms, Terrorism -- all of which had monumental impacts on Global issues.

So if a Civ *must* be included - it has specific reasons for being --wanted-- by someone.
The democracy of gameplay?
Or a necessary reference to some borders drawn on actual maps of our planet?

I identify with Canada & specifically Québec... because i was born there. Whilst i'm sure Oslo residents know exactly what Ikea supplies to the World as much as Helsinki citizens.

In a sense, immigration altered (once again) a huge amount of social and political dynamics *everywhere*. When Egypt revolted recently, i had to stare at their flag in a shopping mall along side the greek crowds in Laval! Suburbia, the melting pot.

Nevertheless, i too still can go anywhere on Earth and Homeland sickness can't be ignored as an emotion. Reality is - *we* are all the same, pride and culture included.

 

[Save_Ferris]

Well, back to Finland...
My main problem with it is that it occupies the same location as the Vikings/Norse. I don't know, I care about overlapping a bit more than most people.

 

[awesome]

speaking of civilizations that would probably be best suited to scenarios and mods:
Bulgaria
Leader: Boris I
Unique Unit: Arkani Infantry (replaces Pikeman, 10 combat strength, 150% Bonus vs Mounted)
Unique Building: Stan (replaces Stable, city must have a nearby source of Horses with a Pasture, +25%
Production of Mounted Units, +15 XP for all Mounted Units)
Unique Ability: Cyrrilic Alphabet: 33% of excess Science added to Culture in all Cities.

 

[Louis XXIV]

So if a Civ *must* be included - it has specific reasons for being --wanted-- by someone.

Well, this thread doesn't ask what Civs must be included, but what civs you want in.

Re: Overlap, that's one I usually don't put much weight in (since I'd like to see Byzantium, which literally overlaps and the Celts and Moors, which are very close to others). Finland doesn't literally overlap. It's not culturally a Norse civ and not ethnically a Scandinavian Civ. It was conquered by Sweden and Russia, but you could exclude France, Spain, Greece, Ottomans, and Arabs if you excluded all the territories owned by one Civ (Rome).

 

[awesome]

i think overlap matters, but only to a certain extent. on a regular world map, you probably wouldn't want both the ottoman and byzantine empires. but that would make an awesome scenario. and finland probably isn't as important to world history as something like england or egypt, but neither is siam. finland could definitely work for a scenario, especially one involving the vikings.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Strangely, "Overlap" is exactly what this thread is asking for - somehow.

Example; when i think of the whole African continent, i have to admit the extensive variety of cultures and colonial interactions that (let's be honest) created slavery of the Blacks.
The basin of the common genome actually.
Can't remember when i saw a documentary of "extinction" eras -- but it was proven that Central african tribes (Sapiens) collided with Neanderthals in what was to become Europe.

This alone proves the importance of race lineage in a sense that epidemics saved humanity through exodus & nomadic lives until agriculture enforced some static regions (birth of Civilizations, in fact).
There's much more to Africa than Songhai, Nigeria, Congo, Somalia, Ethiopia or even Egypt - one only has to recall how cotton lifted into a major worldwide commodity *BECAUSE* of such workforces.

Racism aside, i feel it's not our decision to judge the Blacks. But more about how their struggles became a proof that if given the means and the education - anyone can achieve success.
Martin Luther King said it way better than i always could in the 60's; I have a Dream.
Well, it has been turned into a reality that we all benefit from.

Call it a coincidence - somebody has just uploaded a (Nubian) civ - next Zulus?!?.

 

[Save_Ferris]

Carthage, then Zulus, then Ethiopia. Although Ethiopia is is the same place as Nubia... Maybe a bit to the south.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Euh? Sudan is much more Nubian than you might claim Save_Ferris.

 

[awesome]

there's been a mod with a zulu civ for several months. doesn't mean we can't still design one ourselves. same with maya, byzantine, portugal, korea, carthage and vikings. there were even spanish, incan and mongolian mods before the official ones came out. doesn't matter.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I'd definitely prefer Ethiopia before Zulu. I'd also prefer the Moors, but that's an Arabic/Berber Civ and not sub-Saharan Africa, like the Zulu. The Bantu migration is interesting and Shaka Zulu's unification is interesting, but the unfortunate thing is, when the Zulu were unified, they weren't the most powerful force in Southern Africa - the British were.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Southern Africa being below the equatorial line?
Or all the way down to the tip of a sailing trade route controlled at the time?
Uganda, Kenya & Tanzania being somehow near the Nile source, one only has to go slightly west to find the French - also.
Cape Town is still smaller than London or Paris while Nigeria Oil barrels up a notch for independent economies.
Good i say, diamonds & safari tourism can't be cheap for the taker forever when it's someone else's property or natural resources.

Lots of historical hurdles to freedom(s) - indeed.

 

[awesome]

i think zimbabwe would be a nice change from zulu, but there's already a new empire in africa this game, so i wouldn't really expect it. zulu's pretty likely. i wonder if they'll have a new civilization for each continent. so far there's songhai and siam. they even have polynesia for the region of oceania. maybe we'll finally get another south american civilization besides inca.