i dont know if im stuck on immortal, because i can beat it some of the time, but ive only beaten deity once and that was on earth18 with a great start. so i think im stuck on deity it seems impossible. especially since i always play 18 players. i even started playing 8 player games but its still really hard. to the meinteam, i for one have always played marathon, no tech trading, but because i thought it made it harder if anything. maybe not marathon, but i like my games to last along time so i have to play it, i hate fast games where you go from medievel to rennassance really fast. but no tech trading i thought was harder, because u cant always trade to keep up with the AIs, so u cant go for wonder techs and then trade for military so u can keep up defense while getting a wonder, or something like that. plus the main reason i do no tech trading is it makes the game last longer if u have to research everything by yourself and i like my games to be as long as possible. so i guess i feel like marathon and no tech trading makes the game more fun, and it doesn't feel like cheating to me, cause thats how i play and its still really hard. really, i did three of the things on your list, marathon, no tech trading, quecha rush, and i was still nowhere close to winning on deity, on an 18 player huge fractal map.