[GS] What do we know of the new science victory

tedhebert said:
yes obviously this is in reference to LAGRANGE point, as in the scientist. Certainly not as in the farm ;-)

There are lots of word order flipping when making french/english translations, and the web translation tools are not very good at this.
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I noticed that it was indeed lagrange(which made sense) in the screenshot from the french stream by our very own olaf holmes. Somehow a space got added in the google translation
 
And.. He'd also Bungee Jump from some floating catapult (which still constantly wobbles at chaotic velocity) in orbit to extend critical distances between a wiggling ribbon (shot-off by another astronaut piloting a EVA suit tethered away but within a perfectly unreachable range) and a dramatic life-saving hand shake.
-- Gravity is fun & sells movie tickets.

It's one small jump for a man -- one giant luck for mankind!
 
Okay, I'll be the one to say it: since the Exoplanet Expedition starship travels at the speed of light (one light-year per turn), how do lasers fired from Earth (which also move at the speed of light) even catch up to it, much less accelerate it to twice or three times the speed of light?

I mean, the gameplay aspect is fine, and it's cute that they tried to use "real science" in the fluff for it, but somebody dropped the ball when working out the units. They could just as easily have had the distance as 5 light years and had the ship moving at 1/10 the speed of light, and the lasers increasing the speed by a further 1/10.
 
AriochIV said:
Okay, I'll be the one to say it: since the Exoplanet Expedition starship travels at the speed of light (one light-year per turn), how do lasers fired from Earth (which also move at the speed of light) even catch up to it, much less accelerate it to twice or three times the speed of light?

I mean, the gameplay aspect is fine, and it's cute that they tried to use "real science" in the fluff for it, but somebody dropped the ball when working out the units. They could just as easily have had the distance as 5 light years and had the ship moving at 1/10 the speed of light, and the lasers increasing the speed by a further 1/10.
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I basically already made this comment.

But even this wouldn't work, as the relevant times to cross space would be too many turns per their current distance statement. I think they should've just ignored mentioning speed and distance altogether, instead simply focusing on base speed (non-specific) and faster.
 
Guess many of us still adhere to the "Nothing is faster than light speed" high-school dogma. While I personally have always considered it, at least, strange, it is difficult to go against all textbooks and lessons presenting theoretical and empirical evidence (tough experiments fro something like this are often difficult to underestand), I was also fast to make that call too: laser travels at the speed of light, ship travels at the speed of light: ¿how does laser catches the ship?

Nevertheless instead of just accelerating, I would have preferred a complete "sort of billards"-minigame in which lasers were used to correct trajectory of the ship :) I guess it's nerdy. But hey, ¡it's science victory!. Culture victory should be nerdy as well (in its own league) by improving the mix-matching theming game (and sending specific rock back bands to the best locations for them).
 
Josephias said:
Guess many of us still adhere to the "Nothing is faster than light speed" high-school dogma. While I personally have always considered it, at least, strange, it is difficult to go against all textbooks and lessons presenting theoretical and empirical evidence
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I always figure if sentient being made objects could go faster than light speed, we would have seen extraterrestrial life by now. Although it's possible we have, and just don't know about it. :) I'm fairly certain these physics limitations will prevent us from ever seriously traveling to other solar systems. I would think we would have seen some evidence if this was possible.
 
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I don't have a problem with a fictional faster-than-light starship. I do have a problem with a faster-than-light laser that drives a faster-than-light solar sail. That's just silly.

This is a case where trying to add more realistic detail actually makes the premise less realistic.

Not to mention the question of how the solar sail slows down at the destination...
 
AriochIV said:
I don't have a problem with a fictional faster-than-light starship. I do have a problem with a faster-than-light laser that drives a faster-than-light solar sail. That's just silly.

This is a case where trying to add more realistic detail actually makes the premise less realistic.

Not to mention the question of how the solar sail slows down at the destination...
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Perhaps they are trying for a more whimsical theme. On the marketing front, there was a fellow that didn't like the GS expansion and said it was the first Civ expansion he wouldn't be buying since 2006. I, personally, wondered if he was more upset that the game didn't jive with his own understanding of the rate of climate change and less about the game. If you read into the paradox of the faster than light lasers, perhaps it means that you need to be aware that this is a game.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/civilization-vi/gathering-storm-expansion
 
The whole send a spacecraft to another planet is based on the SV from Civ 1. In those does launching a spacecraft, and having it complete its journey was the only step in getting an SV. However, if you captured another civ's capital after they had launched their spacecraft and before it completed its journey, their rocket's journey would be aborted and they would have to relaunch and essentially start the mission again. Of course spies can disrupt projects by pillaging spaceport districts. The big unknown is, apart from wiping the other civ completely off the map, is there a way to get their rocket to abort its mission after it has been launched. And, if there is, it could obviously happen to the human player too.
 
Victoria said:
Doing the international space station through world congress will speed up your exploration by 3 years.
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I'm pretty sure the Devs said the top place participant gains +3 LY/turn not just shaving 3 years off. So instead of 50 turns it would be 16.666 turns. Thus gaining this bonus plus the 2 lasers would drop the turns to complete from 50 to 10.
 
@ everyone wondering how the laser catch up. The ship is going to Proxima Centauri which is less than 5 LY away. So if it's taking the ship 50 turns even if those turns are only 1/4 of a year if the ship was going at the speed of light it would travel 12.5 LY or more than twice the distance it needs to go. Therefore the ship isn't even traveling at half the speed of light, so those lasers would have no problem catching up.

Edit: Even if the ship did reach the speed of light it would need at least as long to slow back down as it did to get up to that speed. If you consider 50 turns to be the same as 50 years that means the base speed is only 10% of light speed. With all the bonuses reducing the time to 10 turns, that's still only an average speed of 1/2 light speed.
 
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Monthar said:
@ everyone wondering how the laser catch up. The ship is going to Proxima Centauri which is less than 5 LY away. So if it's taking the ship 50 turns even if those turns are only 1/4 of a year if the ship was going at the speed of light it would travel 12.5 LY or more than twice the distance it needs to go. Therefore the ship isn't even traveling at half the speed of light, so those lasers would have no problem catching up.

Edit: Even if the ship did reach the speed of light it would need at least as long to slow back down as it did to get up to that speed. If you consider 50 turns to be the same as 50 years that means the base speed is only 10% of light speed. With all the bonuses reducing the time to 10 turns, that's still only an average speed of 1/2 light speed.
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Unless the devs change their statement, they specifically said it was traveling 50 lightyears.
 
Which video did they talk about the new SV in?
 
FTL technicals go far more into speculations since most recent theories started to admit a highly modified Quantum Mechanics model.

This includes various Sci-Fi hypothesis as well as more realistic concepts such as Worm Holes, Time dilution vortex or much less so, Gravity Loop distortions.

I think the whole problem of relatively high(est) speed is stuck in the Einstein cold-physics assumptions that Light is a maximum threshold whereas Quantum open-systems predict rational string "carpeting methods" should break a lot of previously assumed undisputed Laws covering Space & Time.

To me.. the only rational solutions (for highest possible speeds beyond wacky E=mc2 Light restrictions) still are to be found (or proven effective) in naturally occuring Worm/Holes -- at **THIS** moment of Scientific progress. It's a condition rather than a truth for a vast majority of non-fictional speculators.
 
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