Milosrdenstvi
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Lanun is a bad idea, I think, because a port is as much of a pirate's life as his ship...perhaps you could restrict them to coastal cities only.
What is a Doviello City?
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das
Regeneration In Process
Yes, that would be good, and by extension, if it's possible, have them start in coastal regions only if those are at all present. Seriously, I'm getting tired of landlocked pirates in every second game.
Farmer Bobathan
Sanity is for the weak
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
Pretty sure they would miss out on all of this if they had no cities. They would also get no research, and obviously no culture. This would be very tough to balance.
xienwolf
Deity
They could still get research if you used the Food from Animals Modcomp in Promotion form. Then you can have all the Doviello be capable of getting 
from their defeated enemies. They would only learn technologies that enable units or promotions, and would always be behind the opponents, but that seems fitting for them.
from their defeated enemies. They would only learn technologies that enable units or promotions, and would always be behind the opponents, but that seems fitting for them.DharmaMcLaren
Warlord
Doviello-captured workers could also have a spell to produce beakers or gold, I think. Or they could build an improvement that gave a certain number of beakers and gold for a certain number of turns, too. I'm not sure if it would be possible, but couldn't they also get beakers from razing cities?
xienwolf
Deity
There is a MODCOMP already which allows you to gain from captured/razed cities, based on what the owning Civ knows already and you do not.
Improvement would be tricky since without cities you wouldn't have any cultural borders, so can't tie the improvements specifically to belonging to you. And the main issue with having a spell grant research would be deciding WHAT tech you apply the to, since without a city you cannot select a tech to study toward.
from captured/razed cities, based on what the owning Civ knows already and you do not.Improvement would be tricky since without cities you wouldn't have any cultural borders, so can't tie the improvements specifically to belonging to you. And the main issue with having a spell grant research would be deciding WHAT tech you apply the
to, since without a city you cannot select a tech to study toward.
Darksaber1
Secret Emperor
Well, maybe to Doviello wouldn't start with a city, or be able to build settlers, but can still capture cities, or even promote there warcamp or whatever into temperary, low power cities which produce culture (maybe at a fixed rate?) and lets them buy techs with the points they gain from killing unit/capturing cities, and alowing them to get improvements, but in exchange, they can't build units (well, maybe low power militia style units) and they have to pay a large fee to maintane it (they get money from pillaging/killing). That way, a Doviello leader can choose either to play as nomads or settled people, both with good and bad aspects.
Darksaber1
Secret Emperor
Ack, wrong thread. Pretend I'm not ever here...
Would it be possible to have _two_ barbarian civs? One would be regular barbs and the other the Doviello.
If not, I think of them as the Vikings -- the women and children stay up North. The men go on raids.
The city, I think, would be mostly meat eaters. It would be a collection of hunters. They would stay together to accopmlish food sharing (like the inuit). Basically, food sharing allows a group of hunters to even out the feast/famine cycle of hunting. A successful hunter shares with everyone and, in turn, receives food from others when they are successful. Although everyone gets food, there's a hierarchy, based on previous productivity.
Where's the thread on Doviello and Tundra? What if their farms are -1 food but they get extra food and hammers from animals? Or the hunters generate hammers and food when sitting on an animal resource? Of course, the Vikings did farm (Iceland, Greenland). But I suspect they farmed later than other civs. Can you mess with the tech tree and make, say, Machinery or Iron Work a prereq for Agriculture for them . . . and still give them early access to Animal Husbandry?
Should they be scorched earth like the orcs? I imagine them as having a sheltered production center that generates raiders (this fits nicely with that speech: "these are our islands. . .")
What if the Doviello get an extra tech (fishing) to start to compensate for later slow growth? And do the same for the Lanun?
I think the smokehouse should be far more important for the Doviello. Take Granary away from them and give them a special smokehouse of some kind.
If not, I think of them as the Vikings -- the women and children stay up North. The men go on raids.
The city, I think, would be mostly meat eaters. It would be a collection of hunters. They would stay together to accopmlish food sharing (like the inuit). Basically, food sharing allows a group of hunters to even out the feast/famine cycle of hunting. A successful hunter shares with everyone and, in turn, receives food from others when they are successful. Although everyone gets food, there's a hierarchy, based on previous productivity.
Where's the thread on Doviello and Tundra? What if their farms are -1 food but they get extra food and hammers from animals? Or the hunters generate hammers and food when sitting on an animal resource? Of course, the Vikings did farm (Iceland, Greenland). But I suspect they farmed later than other civs. Can you mess with the tech tree and make, say, Machinery or Iron Work a prereq for Agriculture for them . . . and still give them early access to Animal Husbandry?
Should they be scorched earth like the orcs? I imagine them as having a sheltered production center that generates raiders (this fits nicely with that speech: "these are our islands. . .")
What if the Doviello get an extra tech (fishing) to start to compensate for later slow growth? And do the same for the Lanun?
I think the smokehouse should be far more important for the Doviello. Take Granary away from them and give them a special smokehouse of some kind.
As a doviello player (who lost his password and even his acc name after about 4 years without posting in CivFanatics, who just registered again because this mod rocks my socks, and has not done any work in the last week because of it), im all in favor of new game mechanics for my feral people. After playing Doviello, playing another nation is a pain; building requirements are annoying and raider is the best. trait. ever. But i like the city management of civ4 as much as waging wars, so i wouldnt like to see them fully nomadic, like in the barbarian scenario for warlords (or gengis' one... dont remember). Maybe make Charadon more mobile and Mahala more, dunno, steampunk? To fit with the warmachine, the strangest hero ever.
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