What is anti-semitism?

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Just a thought I had when reading some recent threads. Is anti-semitism any different from racism? If not, then why call it anything different?

I (personally) get pretty pi$$ed off when people talk about "reverse-rascism". This too implies that it there's a difference.

What are your thoughts?
 
Anti-semitism is just racism towards jews. I guess they got their own word b/c they were almost purged from the world? I am not sure when it came about.
 
The Arabs are also part of the Semitic peoples along with some others; so by definition, anti-Semitism is also inclusive of anti-Arabism and whatever. The Jews aren't the only Semites on earth. ;)
 
anti-semitism isn't really racism as there is no "Jewish" race, so I think there should be a distinction. As Knight-Dragon pointed out they aren't the only Semites, nor are all Jews Semitic, so anti-Semitism is probably the wrong word for it.
 
Anti semitism was originally only against jews as they were the only people of a semetic origin in europe at the time. It's a form of racism.
 
I always though anti-semetism was a cultural thing rather than a race thing. The Jews are certainly not a race unto themselves, but they clearly have a unique culture - obviously a large part of it based on their religion.
 
NY Hoya and Knight Dragon are absolutely correct!

Anti-Semitism is pure racism. Its NOT the same as anti-Judaism. Judaism is a religion not a race. Semites are the member of a race. They are closely related to Arabic peoples. True Semitic people aren't around in great numbers except in north Syria and certain areas in southern Iraq, and of course Israel, though a huge portion of Israelis have a considerable amount of European blood in them. I'm going on anthropological classification. I know this doesn't fly well with people who think that being anti-Zionist is in turn being anti-Semitic. But these people are trying to turn an ideological/cultural conflict into a racial one. Saying that one is anti-Christian is ideological, just like saying one is anti-Jewish. Saying one is anti-German is anti-cultural/ideological. Saying one is anti-Germanic is in fact racial. Most anti-Semitic poeple try and group this together and are so bloody stupid they forget that Norse people can be converted to Judaism. They would then be Jewish and not Semitic. I know most people don't agree, but can only disagree on the terms I'm using since I'm going on anthroplogical terminology when I say Semitic.
 
Originally posted by NY Hoya
anti-semitism isn't really racism as there is no "Jewish" race, so I think there should be a distinction. As Knight-Dragon pointed out they aren't the only Semites, nor are all Jews Semitic, so anti-Semitism is probably the wrong word for it.

"races" does not exist on a really scientific value. Racism is only a twisted view of the mind.
So, though judaïsm is more of a cultural value than an ethnic one, antisemitism is still racism.
 
Originally posted by Akka


"races" does not exist on a really scientific value. Racism is only a twisted view of the mind.
So, though judaïsm is more of a cultural value than an ethnic one, antisemitism is still racism.

Obviously the term "race" is not based upon scientific grounds. We all know that there are no "races" scientifically speaking, but there are most certainly "races" in the sense that we classify people by race in everyday society. Usually it's along ethnic lines. I typically reserve the term racism for those instances of ethnic based discrimination. I don't consider anti-semitism (discrimination against, hatred for Jews) to be racism. It's something else, equally as bad. I wouldn't call an anti-Catholic group racist. Or, a better example, I wouldn't refer to a group that hated the Amish as racist.
 
Originally posted by NY Hoya
I don't consider anti-semitism (discrimination against, hatred for Jews) to be racism. It's something else, equally as bad. I wouldn't call an anti-Catholic group racist. Or, a better example, I wouldn't refer to a group that hated the Amish as racist.
That makes sense for the Catholics and the Amish. But anti-semites don't hate people of the Jewish faith but people who belong to what they think of as the Jewish race. An ethnic Jew who is an atheist would still be hated by an anti-semite. So anti-semitism is indeed racism.
 
Originally posted by Hitro

That makes sense for the Catholics and the Amish. But anti-semites don't hate people of the Jewish faith but people who belong to what they think of as the Jewish race. An ethnic Jew who is an atheist would still be hated by an anti-semite. So anti-semitism is indeed racism.

An ethnic jew? What about non-semitic Jews? They are also hated by anti-semites. There were plenty of Jews in Germany back in the 30's and early 40's who were ethnic Germans, and they were still persecuted. I think it's a cultural distinction more so than an ethnic, or even religious one. Judaism, like Christianity, cuts across "ethnic" boundaries, and that's why I don't see it as racism. Like I said, it's something equally as bad, but I don't think it's racism...
 
Originally posted by NY Hoya
An ethnic jew? What about non-semitic Jews? They are also hated by anti-semites. There were plenty of Jews in Germany back in the 30's and early 40's who were ethnic Germans, and they were still persecuted. I think it's a cultural distinction more so than an ethnic, or even religious one. Judaism, like Christianity, cuts across "ethnic" boundaries, and that's why I don't see it as racism. Like I said, it's something equally as bad, but I don't think it's racism...
I'm not sure if it is right that "plenty" of Jews are ethnically non-semitic. It doesn't matter anyway. Racists don't care about things like logic or facts.
If you apply logic to a racist's argumentation it will inevitably fall. But nevertheless anti-semites regard the Jews (all of them) as a race. And that race is what they hate. That's why I regard it as racism.
 
Originally posted by Hitro

I'm not sure if it is right that "plenty" of Jews are ethnically non-semitic. It doesn't matter anyway. Racists don't care about things like logic or facts.
If you apply logic to a racist's argumentation it will inevitably fall. But nevertheless anti-semites regard the Jews (all of them) as a race. And that race is what they hate. That's why I regard it as racism.

I suppose you're right in that a lot of racist anti-semites think of all Jews as a race. I just don't like classifying it as racism because I don't see the Jews as a race, but rather a religious/cultural group of people. It all depends on the perspective I guess.
 
Ok, there's a general consensus on what anti-semitism is, although a few semantics about whether it is historically 'correct' on the Jewish-only thing.

Lets expand the debate as to whether or not prejudice against one specific "group" should have a different name.

For example, my impression when I was growing up, (after learning about the holocaust), was that Anti-Semitism was somehow "different" to (and by that I thought 'worse than') other "racism". It may be the context in which I learnt about the term however.

I don't think that a distinction should be made at all, and would like to see "anti-semitism" universally replaced with "prejudiced".

Is this a moot-point? Does anyone even care about this?
 
i don't think that a distinction between anti-semitism and racism should be made, to me it's just another word for the same sh!t. or then we should get a word for every which would be really confusing, don't you think?

but when i learned about the holocaust in school, i too thought that it was something dîfferent, worse. it's propably because the holocaust was so horrific.
 
Here's a joke I didn't understand fully until I heard it in English here in the U.S.:

Two old Jewish friends, Chaim and Mordechai, decided they'd had enough with anti-Semitism in Hungary and emigrated to the U.S. After they got themselves established they both met up one day to explore their new country. Happening upon a supermarket, they ventured inside and were amazed how big it was, and how much food there was everywhere. They split up and just went their own ways, wondering wide-eyed down the aisles. After about an hour Chaim ran into Mordechai in a back aisle, crying hysterically.

"Mordi, tell me what is the matter? Why are you crying?"

"O Chaim, we've wasted our time. We could have stayed in Hungary!"

"Why?" Mordechai asked.

"Chaim, they're as bad here as back home! I was looking at all the wonderful kinds of fruit they have when I asked the clerk in my halting English why there were so many different kinds of oranges. Do you know what he told me? He told me that these oranges were for eating, and those oranges over there were for Jews!" [Joke: "Jews" = "juice"]
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Clearly as has been discussed "anti-Semitism" has its limit as a term, but in practice it has come to mean a prejudicial belief that Jews in particular have some sort of negative innate qualities, as individuals or as a group. It's a belief that their very Jewishness is a negative matter, a crime.

I laugh though at the attempts here to define Jews and Jewishness, because it raises a critical point. What is a Jew? Is it someone who adheres to the Jewish faith? What then about Jews who become secular? Is there a Jewish ethnicity? If so, does that mean that Ethiopian Jews are less Jewish than Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews? Was the Nazi revival of Phrenology a valid way to determine who is a Jew? When confronted by a subordinate about some Jewish friends he was saving, Himmler is supposed to have exploded, "I say who is a Jew!" Modern humans like to believe that ethnic identity is in our blood, that it is an ancient and all-pervasive aspect of our identities and lives, but in reality ethnicity is a very fluid thing subject to constant change.

Anti-Semitism is a prejudice, a kind of racism and as such no different from any other ethnic or group prejudice. The difference for Anti-Semitism of course is its extent. Anti-Semitism is a phenomenon that has had a powerful impact on European history (and by extension, Europe's colonies' histories), and continues to today. It's true that there are some Jewish groups who overuse the anti-Semitic charge, (Remember Jerry Seinfeld's uncle Leo on his show, who for every person who crossed his path he would say, "Jerry - did you see that? He's an Anti-Semite!" and Jerry would just role his eyes... :lol: I miss that show!) and there are some who confuse legitimate criticism of Israeli policies with anti-Semitism, but such people are a minority. American Blacks have a similar problem with those among them who see slants where there are none. But the recent spate of attacks in Europe, especially France, show that some anti-Semitism is indeed alive and in no way can be equated with legitimate protests against Israeli policies.
 
Well was Hitler racist or anti-semitic? Does it matter? How about Pol Pot? (maybe they both just nuts) My thoughts on this were that anti-semitic was strictly anti-Jewish for reasoning along the lines I heard with Hitler... i.e. less than human simply for being a Jew... Of course, that was said about blacks and there is no special term for racism against blacks... Isn't it tied in to the religion? I mean the term semite/semitic?
 
Antisemitism is racism agains jews only.
It has nothing to do with other semites, except for meaningless semantics.
If you take, for example, websters dictionary, you see that antisemitism is defined by acts against jews/judaism and NOT semites.
Antisemitism is one of the most popular forms of racism in the world for a few reasons:
1) Because it is easy to adopt because it has a 'different' definition than racism in many of people's minds.
2) Can easily be blamed on Israel's actions

Antisemitism popularity was gained along the way, in about the time the world (or europe, and then the arabs) started to think the jews rule the world with conspiracies.

Antisemitism comes with blood libels, jewish conspiracy theories, the jewish "special" cuisine, and the actions of the mean evil monsterous jewish country.

Antisemitism is not only racism, it is also a way of life for some (IE Arab press...).
 
Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Antisemitism is racism agains jews only.
It has nothing to do with other semites, except for meaningless semantics.
If you take, for example, websters dictionary, you see that antisemitism is defined by acts against jews/judaism and NOT semites.
Antisemitism is one of the most popular forms of racism in the world for a few reasons:
1) Because it is easy to adopt because it has a 'different' definition than racism in many of people's minds.
2) Can easily be blamed on Israel's actions

Antisemitism popularity was gained along the way, in about the time the world (or europe, and then the arabs) started to think the jews rule the world with conspiracies.

Antisemitism comes with blood libels, jewish conspiracy theories, the jewish "special" cuisine, and the actions of the mean evil monsterous jewish country.

Antisemitism is not only racism, it is also a way of life for some (IE Arab press...).

Then If this is the case let us call anti-'Jewishness' something else since the word anti-Semitism makes no sense since Isrealis are not the only Semites. And again there is this talk of a Jewish race. Where did this idea come from? The only scientific basis that race can be defined by is anthropolgy. And an anthropologist could only tell if someone is Semitic or not. Not if they're Jewish or or not since Judaism is a religion and culture. Hence, in the strictest sense of the term, there is no Jewish 'race'. And as far as I'm concerned anti-Semitism should only be called racism, plain and simple. Most people who are aginst one race are aginst all races that aren't their own, usually. 'Anti-Semitism' is a silly term that isn't congruent with plain English (just like a lot of English terms).
 
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