What is college like?

Cal is hard, sure, yeah, but we do something else different too which I think has positives and negatives: if you screw up the college helps you back. As you and others explained to me, in NL you pretty much get to enroll non-competitively, but if you fail your first year, you're out. You're done. Pack your bags. Here, you get second, third, sometimes fourth or more chances. Meanwhile, while their are electives, the curricula I saw at Dutch universities are very streamlined and don't allow for much variation. This might sound weird, but I'm not convinced, to pick my own field as an example, it's better to have everyone learn microeconomics first and macro second, or vice versa, (or the order of taking economics classes vs classes of theories of political economy). Mixing up the ordering of how students learn the material I suspect results in a wider range of total understanding among the population of those students with their respective majors and therefore results in a better educated populace.

Dutch universities are actually quite schoolish. The scale is much larger to be sure. It is a bit about droning. While I haven't experienced US univeresities firsthand, you sound convinced that US universities are actually less dronish than Dutch ones.
 
Dutch universities are actually quite schoolish. The scale is much larger to be sure. It is a bit about droning. While I haven't experienced US univeresities firsthand, you sound convinced that US universities are actually less dronish than Dutch ones.

Yeah, that's a piece of what I was saying there.
 
Your mileage will vary. I was in a program that effectively had ~50 students per year and where you spoke on first-name basis with most of the professors. If you're doing business economy, there'll probably a thousand students in your class and you're just a number to the university.

The lack of second chances is something of the last few years. Five years ago, these rules mostly didn't exist. I'm afraid of the impact it'll have.
 
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