Back on page 3 Funky posted:
On page 10 HannibalBarka posted:
Even after the First Crusade after the crusaders had captured lands and there was plenty of room for Christian immigrants, few came plus many, if not most, of the Crusaders completed their pilgrimage and went home, from that point on the Crusader's were always under populated, many Christians came on pilgrimages and went home. Contrary to popular opinion they were out to save their souls, not enrich themselves.
Where is all this coming from,
Crusade Myths | Thomas F. Madden
http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/print2005/tmadden_crusades_print.html
MARCH 19, 2011
The Real History of the Crusades
THOMAS F. MADDEN
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/the-real-history-of-the-crusades
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) Paperback – August 1, 2005
by Robert Spencer (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Islam-Crusades/dp/0895260131
And I agree, so let's look at the Crusades.On topic, the crusades definitely present one of the most misunderstood historical events in history.
On page 10 HannibalBarka posted:
But were the Crusades about conquering lands or stopping an invader that was out to force-convert Christendom to another religion/ideology. IMO It was rather like the West deciding to stop the spread of Communism in the 20th Century.I don't really think any conquest was "unjustified" back than. Crusaders had every right to go wage war in the Levant as did Muslims conquering Europe. As I said earlier, land back than was the property of the Kings not the people and I don't see what would make the Caliph less or more legitimate than say the Byzantine Emperor or the Frankish King to rule the Levant, Anatolia, Belgium or even China !! Back than Kings conquered what their armies allowed them to conquer not what they thought would be "rightfully" (right say who?) theirs.
Even after the First Crusade after the crusaders had captured lands and there was plenty of room for Christian immigrants, few came plus many, if not most, of the Crusaders completed their pilgrimage and went home, from that point on the Crusader's were always under populated, many Christians came on pilgrimages and went home. Contrary to popular opinion they were out to save their souls, not enrich themselves.
Where is all this coming from,
Crusade Myths | Thomas F. Madden
http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/print2005/tmadden_crusades_print.html
MARCH 19, 2011
The Real History of the Crusades
THOMAS F. MADDEN
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/the-real-history-of-the-crusades
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) Paperback – August 1, 2005
by Robert Spencer (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Islam-Crusades/dp/0895260131