what is your view about iran?

[Ecofarm]

that topic about anti western is arabic not parsic.

Hamas is funded, trained and supplied by Iran.

Washington, 4 September (WashingtonTV)—The leader of the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip said on Thursday that he had affirmed his group’s warm ties with Iran, during a telephone conversation with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh also expressed hope that Iran would remain “unified and stable”, following June’s disputed presidential election, a statement by his office said.

“The two leaders confirmed the depth of the relationship between Palestinians and Iran, between both its government and its people,” the statement said, according to the Associated Press.

During the 10-minute telephone conversation late on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad confirmed that the Islamic Republic “would remain standing by the people in the besieged Gaza Strip,” the statement added, according to the Xinhua news agency.

The two men also exchanged greetings for the current Islamic holy month of Ramadan, and Haniyeh congratulated Ahmadinejad over his recent re-election.

Israeli government spokesperson, Mark Regev, said he was not surprised by the announcement from Haniyeh’s office.

“These two leaders share an extremist, violent agenda. Both Hamas and Iran deny Israel’s right to exist and both deny the Holocaust,” Regev was quoted by AP as saying.

Sources: Associated Press, Xinhua news agency

http://televisionwashington.com/floater_article1.aspx?lang=en&t=1&id=13720

See also: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123128812156759281.html

 

[Great Cyrus]

Amir is a title. I'm not a Sufi or any type of Muslim. I don't like war, I just like music.

jazz pop rap or ROCK?
i hate rap and rock.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Raï is a form of folk music that originated in Oran, Algeria, from Bedouin shepherds, mixed with Spanish, French, African and Arabic musical forms, which dates back to the 1930s and has been primarily evolved by women in the culture. Raï literally means opinion but is colloquially used as an interjection along the lines of "oh, yeah!"
Singers of raï are called cheb (shabb, young) as opposed to sheikh (shaykh, old), the name given to Chaabi singers. The tradition arose in cities like Oran, Relizane and Mostaganem, primarily among the poor. Traditionally sung by men, at the turn of the 20th century, female singers became common. Raï musicians as early as the 1930s were singing about social issues which affected native populations. These ranged from disease to the policing of European colonies.

That's rai, which is the style of the song I linked to above. The guy in my avatar, Khaled, is the most famous rai singer.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Hamas is funded, trained and supplied by Iran.

Because they have "warm ties"?

And for extra credit, remember who overthrew Iran's sovereign democratically-elected government in 1953, and who then installed a brutal dictatorship in its place?

 

[choxorn]

jazz pop rap or ROCK?
i hate rap and rock.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Sounds like a myth. Got anything to corroborate that? Any concrete differences between "Persian" and "Islamic"? Any response to the fact that the Iranians called their state and people a variant of the name Iran before Muhammad had so much as thought about going up Mount Hira?

By Persian I mean culture in the region from Achamenid Empire up until Umayyads. Once the Umayyads came in, and Islam became extremely popular, their culture changed a lot. And constantly changed with influence of other invasions (Mongols and such) up until this day.

And yes, the Persian culture that I am describing is very different from the Iranian one. With the most basic difference being the Persian culture was more rooted in Zoroastrianism, while Iranian is more rooted in Islam.

So basically what I'm trying to say is, that they are similar in some respects (since the Iranian one basically just built of the Persian one, but over time added their own traditions and such), but there is a distinct difference between the Persian culture and the Iranian one.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I am from the United States. Specifically I am from the State of Georgia, the youngest of the original 13 colonies that rebelled against Britain and formed the United States. The ban on Catholics and Jews was in the original proprietary charter that gave James Oglethorpe the right to found the colony. (He had intended it to be a penal colony (a place criminals were sent, like Australia would later be) specifically for debtors who were sent to jail for being unable to pay their creditors, however very few colonists were actually released prisoners and most of those were not in prison because of debts.) Alcohol Consumption (but not manufacture, as it was wrongly assumed that the climate was suitable for making wine for export), Gambling, and Slavery were also outlawed by the charter. I know the last three restrictions were removed by the Royal Charter, but I'm not sure when the religious discrimination ended.


The State of Georgia is not to be confused with the Republic of Georgia, the country separated from Iran by Armenia and Azerbaijan. (On an unrelated note, one of my roommates 2 years ago was half Armenian/half Sicilian, and spoke a little of both languages. One of my roommates last year was Russian, and during the brief war between Russia and Georgia he expressed a view that he considered Georgians sub-human.)



I've forgotten a lot of what I used to know about Persian history. From what I remember, by views of Xerxes I (I assume you mean him and not Xerxes I whose reign was quite brief) were fairly neutral. I don't know much that would make me particularly like him, but I do think that most portrayals are too strongly biased towards the Greeks. This is taken to a ridiculous extreme in things like the movie 300 (based on what I've heard and on previews; I haven't watched the film and have no interest in doing so).


If I recall it isn't quite clear whether the king in the Book of Esther was Xerxes I, , or Artaxerxes II. Which ever it was, that king is generally portrayed as a good ruler, at least after getting rid of his evil vizier Haman who was trying to commit genocide against the Jews.



I'm afraid I've never heard of the "ghajar" empire.

 

[Ansar]

you are south korean?

Nope.

look my dear mossadegh was a great man for us. he recaptured our oil industry.

I never said he was a bad man. I said things started going downhill (Iran started becoming bad) after he was taken out of power and Mohammed Reza Shah put on the Peacock Throne. Mossadegh didn't mean harm when he nationalized the Anglo-Iraniani Oil Company while Mohammed Reza Shah was just a dictator.

What do you think of the Islamic Revolution (انقلاب اسلام&#1740 (1979), by the way?

 

[Dachs]

And for extra credit, remember who overthrew Iran's sovereign democratically-elected government in 1953, and who then installed a brutal dictatorship in its place?

The Shah of Iran, with the support or tacit agreement of most Iranians?

By Persian I mean culture in the region from Achamenid Empire up until Umayyads. Once the Umayyads came in, and Islam became extremely popular, their culture changed a lot. And constantly changed with influence of other invasions (Mongols and such) up until this day.

And yes, the Persian culture that I am describing is very different from the Iranian one. With the most basic difference being the Persian culture was more rooted in Zoroastrianism, while Iranian is more rooted in Islam.

So basically what I'm trying to say is, that they are similar in some respects (since the Iranian one basically just built of the Persian one, but over time added their own traditions and such), but there is a distinct difference between the Persian culture and the Iranian one.

So, looking beyond the weasel words, you can't think of a single actual "cultural difference" between "Persian" and "Iranian" other than "one of them is Muslim and the other isn't", basically - what, are we to believe that the day after the Battle of Nahavand, everybody in Greater Iran decided to stop calling themselves "Persian" and start using "Iranian"? You realize that the Iranians have been calling their own people and state "Iran" since centuries before the Umayyad conquest (and that "Iran" derives from words that they've been using for well over a millennium prior), and that "Persia" and "Persian" aren't Iranian words at all - except maybe to refer to the people from around Shiraz? It's like calling Greece "Ahhiyawa" or the United States "Dixie" or China "Manchuria"...utterly inappropriate and nonsensical use of terms to differentiate one era from another.

 

[Great Cyrus]

Nope.

I never said he was a bad man. I said things started going downhill (Iran started becoming bad) after he was taken out of power and Mohammed Reza Shah put on the Peacock Throne. Mossadegh didn't mean harm when he nationalized the Anglo-Iraniani Oil Company while Mohammed Reza Shah was just a dictator.

What do you think of the Islamic Revolution (انقلاب اسلام&#1740 (1979), by the way?

look my friend, we are spent. spent from evil mongols or that thug greece or the great satan, arabs or Jobber turks or nowdays america, english, potugal, france, japan and now china insolence to us with their works. if you were from iran what did you do?
we made our country to about 1900. at end ghajars(turk) govern to us and they perish our country. iran is for persians not for anyone.

 

[Agent327]

Persian culture, being much older than Islam, was transformed by it, but has remained a strong influence ever since and still is today - whether despite or because of its government form. I would agree that the difference between 'Iran' and 'Persia' is a matter of semantics mostly - like 'Greece' is referred to as Hellas by the Greeks themselves.

The Shah of Iran, with the support or tacit agreement of most Iranians?

Most dictatorship will rule with 'support or tacit agreement'; that doesn't mean they're not hated by a substantial part of their own population.

The guy in my avatar, Khaled, is the most famous rai singer.

Indeed he is.

 

[TheJ0K3R]

look my friend, we are spent. spent from evil mongols or that thug greece or the great satan, arabs or Jobber turks or nowdays america, english, potugal, france, japan and now china insolence to us with their works. if you were from iran what did you do?
we made our country to about 1900. at end ghajars(turk) govern to us and they perish our country. iran is for persians not for anyone.

What are you talking about?What makes you think Turks govern or want to govern you?

 

[Great Cyrus]

I'm afraid I've never heard of the "ghajar" empire.

you dont know when hide iran under clouds!!?? oh you say that qajar empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qajar_dynasty

 

[Great Cyrus]

What are you talking about?What makes you think Turks govern or want to govern you?

qajars were turk. i dont want insult you.

 

[Joecoolyo]

So, looking beyond the weasel words, you can't think of a single actual "cultural difference" between "Persian" and "Iranian" other than "one of them is Muslim and the other isn't", basically - what, are we to believe that the day after the Battle of Nahavand, everybody in Greater Iran decided to stop calling themselves "Persian" and start using "Iranian"? You realize that the Iranians have been calling their own people and state "Iran" since centuries before the Umayyad conquest (and that "Iran" derives from words that they've been using for well over a millennium prior), and that "Persia" and "Persian" aren't Iranian words at all - except maybe to refer to the people from around Shiraz? It's like calling Greece "Ahhiyawa" or the United States "Dixie" or China "Manchuria"...utterly inappropriate and nonsensical use of terms to differentiate one era from another.

No, I never said they were totally different. Once again, they are very similar, but they have their differences. And once again, the people there have been calling themselves Persian and Iranian for god knows how long, because those names are (once again) synonymous with each other. The two cultures I'm talking about, well let me phrase it this way, by Persian culture I mean Achamenid Empire culture. By Iranian culture, I mean the modern day one. And yes, they are distinctive, because comparing them is like comparing Ancient Greece and modern Day Greece, they are totally different. A great example of the difference between the two (Persia and Iran) is basically this quote from Wikipedia about Persia:

On their methods of greeting, he asserts that equals kissed on the lips, persons of some difference in rank kissed on the cheek, and the lowest ranks would prostrate on the ground to the upper ranks. It is known that men of high rank practiced polygamy, and were reputed to have a number of wives and a greater number of concubines. On their same-sex relations, high ranked men kept favorites, such as Bagoas who was one of Darius III's favorites and who later became Alexander's eromenos. Persian pederasty and its origins were debated even in ancient times. Herodotus claimed they had learned it from the Greeks, however, Plutarch asserts that the Persians used eunuch boys to that end long before contact between the cultures.

Also from Herodotus we learn that the Persians had a very high regard for truth, teaching the respect of truth to their children and despising nothing so much as a lie. On the education of the children, we learn that from the age of five until twenty they were taught to ride, shoot the bow, and speak the truth. Until the age of five children spent all their time among the women and never met the father, so that, should they die in infancy, he would not sorrow over their loss. (Herodotus, The History, passim)

Now unless any of that goes on in modern day Iran, please correct me.

But, really, this argument is very silly. We're just arguing about what I perceive as Persia and Iran. Because when I hear Persia, I think of Persia in the times of Cyrus, and Darius. While when I hear Iran, I think of the modern day state.

 

[Dachs]

No, I never said they were totally different. Once again, they are very similar, but they have their differences. And once again, the people there have been calling themselves Persian and Iranian for god knows how long, because those names are (once again) synonymous with each other. The two cultures I'm talking about, well let me phrase it this way, by Persian culture I mean Achamenid Empire culture. By Iranian culture, I mean the modern day one. And yes, they are distinctive, because comparing them is like comparing Ancient Greece and modern Day Greece, they are totally different. A great example of the difference between the two (Persia and Iran) is basically this quote from Wikipedia about Persia:



Now unless any of that goes on in modern day Iran, please correct me.

I'm not saying that Iranian culture hasn't changed over the course of millennia, and certainly not saying that the introduction of Islam didn't change the culture of many of the people who inhabit greater Iran, I'm saying that it's stupid to delineate the changes in the way you did. The place is Iran. The people are Iranians. A small subset of the people are Parsim. Due to that small subset's brief control of the ruling apparatus of a large portion of Iran, the Greeks decided that they were going to call Iranians "Persikoi", which survived into the modern tongues of many states. Drawing the boundary between "Persian" and "Iranian" at the Battle of Nahavand is nonsensical, because the Iranians called themselves Iranians before that and the Greeks, Romans, etc. continued to call them Persians afterwards - the name difference has nothing to do with the Muslim conquest or the conversion of Iranians to Islam.

But, really, this argument is very silly. We're just arguing about what I perceive as Persia and Iran. Because when I hear Persia, I think of Persia in the times of Cyrus, and Darius. While when I hear Iran, I think of the modern day state.

Iran isn't Persia

Looks like you were forcing your personal nomenclature on others.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

It seems the mathematician al-Khwārizmī is Persian. Interesting.

 

[West 36]

Are all Iranians as xenophobic as you?

 

[Great Cyrus]

Are all Iranians as xenophobic as you?

what is xenophobic?

 

[MagisterCultuum]

xen⋅o⋅pho⋅bi⋅a
 
 /ˌzɛnəˈfoʊbiə, ˌzinə-/ [zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-]

–noun
an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.
Origin:
1900–05; xeno- + -phobia

Related forms:
xen⋅o⋅pho⋅bic, adjective


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xen·o·phobe
(zěn'ə-fōb', zē'nə-)
n. A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
xen'o·pho'bi·a n., xen'o·pho'bic adj.