What makes Keshiks so good?
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Absolute Zero
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Their ability to move through forests/hills without penalty (they will always move 2 tiles regardless of terrain) means that they can move into enemy territory very fast, meaning that the enemy has less time to whip or move more units to defend. Because you can hit the enemy so fast, they're basically caught unprepared.
The first strike is a small bonus. Against archery it'll just cancel out, but otherwise it can help a little.
Also, it synergizes with the Mongolian UB, the Ger.
Other players more experienced with Keshiks can probably elaborate more.
The first strike is a small bonus. Against archery it'll just cancel out, but otherwise it can help a little.
Also, it synergizes with the Mongolian UB, the Ger.
Other players more experienced with Keshiks can probably elaborate more.
Synergy with the UB is part of it, and horse archers just being rather good for blitzing is another part. It's not the top rushing UU maybe but it's still rather good. And every civ with a useful early UU has a greater advantage because using the UU early gets you gains that snowball for the rest of the game.
NihilZero
WHEOOHRNY
Mounted armies are characterised by speed, so ignoring terrain and always having two moves is pretty significant. That early in the game there is always a lot of unchopped forest around which would slow a regular HA or chariot attack somewhat and give the enemy a few extra turns to defend themselves, particularly at the start of the war. With Kehiks you can take the capital or some other key city on the first or second turn of the war, making the rest of the war a lot faster.
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
Heres some examples of the devastation Keshiks can wrought:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=332762
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255070
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=332762
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255070
sucksforyou112
Superman
They are just awesome. I was playing as Kublai on Noble (sue me) with a fractal map. I ended up on a large continent. Eventually, I got to a point where I had six cities, running at 80% science and a respectable force of Keshiks- 25 or so- and a small squad of catapults. With this force, I counquered Persia, who was about twice my size and had several cities with formidable defenses. Maybe it was the difficulty level, but it was pretty fun. I got out of it with research at 60%.
rugbyLEAGUEfan
Deity
Cyrus of Mongolia starts to get insane especially if you can get REALLY lucky and sneak in an axe rush before your Keshiks are up and running and grab a great general . Then with the Ger they have 3 promotions straight away.
A little Italian seasoning and some garlic really bring out the unit's unique flavor.
A little Italian seasoning and some garlic really bring out the unit's unique flavor.
Garlic is THE Italian seasoning, Your Lemonesty.
Asking "what makes Keshiks so good?" is like asking "why do people like money, sex, and chocolate?"; it's pretty much that self-evident.
High strength, two moves, ignores terrain, easily customizable with plenty of promo options out of the box; scary fun.
Wafflecakes
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"High strength, two moves, ignores terrain, easily customizable with plenty of promo options out of the box"
These are definitely the reasons I like sex.
These are definitely the reasons I like sex.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
With Keshiks?
EDIT: I have a lot more than 2 moves as well
EDIT: I have a lot more than 2 moves as well
Meh. Sex, money and chocolate are all ridiculously overrated... and I'm not convinced about Keshiks either.
While the mobility allows some interesting tricks, I'd usually be just as happy to stick to War Chariots throughout the Horse Archer era... and those also allow a fairly nice rush/earlier build-up.
I don't find them better than decent, and intensely dislike the rest of Mongolia (starting techs are awkward, AGG is my least favourite trait and even narrower when both UU and UB are horse-based).
While the mobility allows some interesting tricks, I'd usually be just as happy to stick to War Chariots throughout the Horse Archer era... and those also allow a fairly nice rush/earlier build-up.
I don't find them better than decent, and intensely dislike the rest of Mongolia (starting techs are awkward, AGG is my least favourite trait and even narrower when both UU and UB are horse-based).
My first post here. Hello everyone.
So I take a look on the successful Keshik domination game. I have a couple questions, I am only referring to single player game. I am also only referring to medium to high difficulty (at least monarch)
Is it only good on warlord/ BTS with the unique building? In Vanilla they will only get 1 promotion. Also Vanilla do not have early spy, making Keshik useless after the enemy has longbowman because of high culture defense bonus.
How many cities do you need before you start building Keshik? Since horse archers are expensive (at that time) don't you need more cities to keep up production?
Since most of the cities are cottaged, won't they be not very productive?
The immortal domination strike the capital (or high production city) first to slow AI counter. But sometimes the enemies capital is simply not within reach. The whole point of the immortal domination is to be able to capture enemies top city in two turns.
So I take a look on the successful Keshik domination game. I have a couple questions, I am only referring to single player game. I am also only referring to medium to high difficulty (at least monarch)
Is it only good on warlord/ BTS with the unique building? In Vanilla they will only get 1 promotion. Also Vanilla do not have early spy, making Keshik useless after the enemy has longbowman because of high culture defense bonus.
How many cities do you need before you start building Keshik? Since horse archers are expensive (at that time) don't you need more cities to keep up production?
Since most of the cities are cottaged, won't they be not very productive?
The immortal domination strike the capital (or high production city) first to slow AI counter. But sometimes the enemies capital is simply not within reach. The whole point of the immortal domination is to be able to capture enemies top city in two turns.
NihilZero
WHEOOHRNY
People don't like money, but they do like sex and chocolate, and money helps with both.
Personally, I think the world would be a better place if we just did away with the middle man and just used sex and chocolate as currency, but I don't make the rules.
"Here's your salary Mr Zero, now would you like that in sex, or chocolate?"
Well, I disagree with you on Keshiks because I believe that mobility is everything in war (which is one reason why it is possible to abuse the Marathon speed setting so much), but I'm right with you here, Mongolia is one of the weakest civs apart from uniques. The Ger is particularly nice with War Elephants.
Personally, I think the world would be a better place if we just did away with the middle man and just used sex and chocolate as currency, but I don't make the rules.
"Here's your salary Mr Zero, now would you like that in sex, or chocolate?"
Well, I disagree with you on Keshiks because I believe that mobility is everything in war (which is one reason why it is possible to abuse the Marathon speed setting so much), but I'm right with you here, Mongolia is one of the weakest civs apart from uniques. The Ger is particularly nice with War Elephants.
Wafflecakes
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Sex with Keshiks is definitely not overrated. Rarely has an embrace been so passionate, or a touch so tender.
