Yes.
What supplements do you take?
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I'm now picturing Birdjaguar as a majestic centaur, except his bottom half is cow instead of horse...
aimeeandbeatles
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Narz
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Oh I forgot I also take creatine & probiotics..
To answer your "question" I got my T-levels tested in my early 20's and they were super low, like 65-year old dude low. I was having crazy stomach pain & trying lots of different diets, I've had health issues for most of my life so I was always curious how to optimize my hormones. I also had various food allergies & nutritional deficiencies.
My t-levels went from the 200s around age 22 (when they should be really high) to 700-800 range now (@ 41
). As much depression as I deal w/ now I can't imagine how bad it would be if my hormones were still out of whack as they were.
I try, it's not mutually exclusive.
You seem like a decent guy sometimes but othertimes come off as a total douche. I take your mindless snap to judgements comes from some deep insecurity but it comes off really gross & offputting.
To answer your "question" I got my T-levels tested in my early 20's and they were super low, like 65-year old dude low. I was having crazy stomach pain & trying lots of different diets, I've had health issues for most of my life so I was always curious how to optimize my hormones. I also had various food allergies & nutritional deficiencies.
My t-levels went from the 200s around age 22 (when they should be really high) to 700-800 range now (@ 41
). As much depression as I deal w/ now I can't imagine how bad it would be if my hormones were still out of whack as they were.What nonsense, with your case study of 1, lol. Baldness is mostly hereditary. And testosterone is connected to well being, sex drive, muscle mass, all sorts of things. No human hormone does just one thing, I'm sure a "genuinely intelligent man like you" already knew that tho.
You're not asking a serious question just trying to stunt on me but everything I take I look into quite a bit. Creatine & l-citrulline have been studied. Ashwanghda shows promise. There's .01% the money is supplements that there are in drugs so there's not as much $ in research. I'm well aware that 50-80% of what I take could have little to no effect but you only get one life so I'm gonna do the best I can. It's true people can OD on certain supplements like Iron or Vitamin D and I take that into account.
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I'd consider that medical advice
.Okay, no, so: If there's a medical reason (vitamins measured too low, or any kind of disease), then this is normally well studied and you should follow this advice.
But beyond that, I think you can only go with the more general advises (don't drink tons of soda; eat salad, etc), and anything more specific will probably be nonsense. You can see it already from the different diets, which cut out either X or Y, and you'd think one of them should be right, but apparently is neither
.I might also have some... err.... scientific issues there, and with dietary stuff you never know if people are aware of this stuff and they're right, or if they're oblivious and don't have a clue.
e.g. my whey powder is advertized as "with glutamine and branched-chain amino acids". Everyone with some knowledge in biology will know that this advertisement is nonsense, since they're clearly, obviously in there. In all whey. Actually, in everything which lives. That's like saying...er... your drink contains water. I mean... duh. So I'd not trust these people with anything, because they're advertising obvious things.
And let's continue with "sugar". You hear it sometimes that you should "cut out your sugar". Okay...mmmhhh...so... all starch and fibers, if broken down, are basically glucose, which is commonly known as "sugar". Also like... basically every food source contains something, which, if broken down, will have a form of sugar in it. Saying "a form", since there's a bunch of different sugars, like the granulated sugar (glucose), fruit sugar (fructose), milk sugar (lactose), and various more which the normal person doesn't know about (e.g. fucose, arabinose, xylose, and what not).
If properly said, these people probably want to say "cut out simple, easily absorbable sugars", e.g. the pure glucose. Because they are easily absorbed, don't make you feel full. More complicated variants of sugar (starch and fibers) will make you feel full, and are therefore dieatry better, because you'll eat less if you're full. A liter of soda will not.
But that's about what I get from this, and I have no idea if any other type of advise here is based on people knowing stuff or not having a clue, because the terminology is not proper
.EDIT: Even that last part is wrong. Fruits contain fructose, which is an easily absorbable, simple sugar. But eliminating apples from your diet would be stupid, so nobody does that.
(Fructose has a different impact, since we cannot directly burn it like glucose, but it first needs to go to the liver to be converted; all these details...)
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Magnesium and cod liver oil.
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Udderly majestic.
H4run
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Dang Narz, condolences man..
Sofista
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Um, I can find a 45% hazelnut one just walking to the nearest supermarket - the things one discovers while avoiding vegetables!
Agree on gianduia though, it really is awesome.
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amadeus
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Note for those who didn’t read the original post above: the “you” here is not me. I’m replying to another reply.
The thread title was about supplements I take, not “debate @Narz about the merits of supplements” so I held off initially on asking any sort of question, but what did you look into when you started taking some of these supplements? I searched for them (of those I did not recognize) and I found none to have any efficacy that can be scientifically demonstrated, so what would be your basis for taking them?
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H4run
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None? He put fish-oil to one of his list, do we need a scientific prove on the benefit of fish-oil to our body? Narz described a very legit issues on both his physical and psychological condition and struggle, instead of criticizing and scrutinized what-ever effort he put to improve his life-quality, better yet we give suggestion if we assumed we know better than him.
amadeus
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Sorry, that was a lack of clarification on my part. I searched for the ones I’d never heard of.
I amended my earlier post to include this information.
H4run
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He is already living a heck of life that perhaps none of us here can relate to whatever he was been thorough, I cannot imagine myself being in his shoes getting a testosterones level of a 65 years old during my twenties-the golden age of testosterones, at least now with what-ever bogus medicine that we think he swallowed he is kicking right now, able to hang out with people, able to function and move forward while putting the past behind, I cannot imagine what can I ask more than that if I'm in his shoes. Many people unable to function normally after such traumatic abuse experience in the past/during childhood.
amadeus
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My skepticism is not directed at Narz personally.
Let us suppose that some of those supplements were proven to improve a condition such as low testosterone; I would think manufacturers would jump at the opportunity to market it as proven. However, they aren’t.
Why? The supply is there. The demand is there.
If I had to put money on it, I would bet on something other than the supplements themselves being the cure for his ailments: more exercise, a healthier diet, better sleep, a more stable environment? I don’t know what it would be, but by likelihood I’m going to say that supplements were not it.
Let us suppose that some of those supplements were proven to improve a condition such as low testosterone; I would think manufacturers would jump at the opportunity to market it as proven. However, they aren’t.
Why? The supply is there. The demand is there.
If I had to put money on it, I would bet on something other than the supplements themselves being the cure for his ailments: more exercise, a healthier diet, better sleep, a more stable environment? I don’t know what it would be, but by likelihood I’m going to say that supplements were not it.
H4run
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This is fairly that long winding road that will get us out from most of the trouble that we currently in, not solely low testosterones level.
I'm not a supplement freak, however to deemed most supplement or herbal product that is sold out-there are just placebos commodity that sold solely for profit and to scam others I think also another extreme. And people always fall short to either one extreme or another extreme, and I always believe that the truth is between the two extreme.
Your assertion might right and true for some product, but not necessarily generalized to the product that Narz currently consume.
yung.carl.jung
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that's totally accurate
this on the other hand is some advanced form of projection. people are rude sometimes, they do not need any deep-seated reason for it.
To answer your "question" I got my T-levels tested in my early 20's and they were super low, like 65-year old dude low. I was having crazy stomach pain & trying lots of different diets, I've had health issues for most of my life so I was always curious how to optimize my hormones. I also had various food allergies & nutritional deficiencies.
My t-levels went from the 200s around age 22 (when they should be really high) to 700-800 range now (@ 41
I specifically state that taking supps when you have a diagnosed deficiency is totally recommended and well. I had no idea you were 41, you honestly look mid-30s if at all. and you have a nice set of hair, still
true, I shouldn't just have assumed that you have normal hormone levels, but then again less than 1% (says google) of young men have low-T and wayyyy more than 1% are supplementing. I still apologize for making too quick a judgement.
normal T-levels correlate with "well being, sex drive, muscle mass, all sorts of things", we completely agree on that. abnormally high and (as you know) abnormally low levels correlate with all sorts of problems. I can source every single one of my claims with a study, these are absolutely common knowledge.
it's good that you're keeping watch, supps are not to toy around with
yes, yes we do. supplements are not like food. eating a bunch of salmon is not the same as eating a bunch of fish oil capsules. stuffing a bunch of carrots is not the same as eating 10 vitamin d pills.
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H4run
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Obviously the process are indeed different, but I don't know what you are trying to implied here, are you suggesting that our body not absorbing the vitamin D that is provided by the vitamin D capsule? I know it's an instant way, but it doesn't deemed it to be bogus or scammy.
I can understand the sentiment behind gaining nutrition on healthy food are much better than taking it from supplement, but there are many factors behind why people consumed supplement, it's not always derailed down to the road of "unwillingness to eat healthy food".
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Narz
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It's all good, having a human body is very annoying sometimes but othertimes it's fun.
Reasonable question, well to start some of what I take have scientific merit or at least the potential of merit (more study required).
The main attraction for me is low-risk, middling-reward. Lets say some study says that garlic may have some small effect on cancer prevention and bacterial infections. Even if the evidence isn't very strong garlic has no risk and some potential reward. Compare that to some experimental drug, said drug may have a much higher upside but also a much higher downside (side effects may include : constipation, explosive diarrhea, brain fog & death
).If I'm on death's door I'll try anything but for everyday life why not take the safer path?
Oh thanksI had no idea you were 41, you honestly look mid-30s if at all. and you have a nice set of hair, still
I still don't see anything wrong w/ supplementing, why not max out one's potential, no one wants to feel old, sluggish or cranky.
Oh and btw, there was one supplement I did here about on Rogan's show (from this milf doc who went on & on about it)
Sulforaphane
