What the Israelis really think of the UN

[Masquerouge]

So its the US that kept the UN from enforcing 1559? Explain how exactly.

So this is the UN that fired rockets on Israel? Explain how exactly.

 

[Gogf]

Is that what you would say to the dead peacekeeper's relatives? "It served them right!", "they have failed, and they were worthless!"

What kind of a response is this? It was extremely stupid to sit in the middle of a warzone and accomplish nothing. Whether you would be more tactful in talking to their relative is irrelevant.

This thread is flagrantly biased.

 

[ComradeDavo]

The United States lets Isreal flout UN resolutions. How can the UN expect to exert it's authoirty on Hezbollah, sworn enemies of Isreal, when it's most powerful member supports Isreal's actions?

 

[Masquerouge]

What kind of a response is this? It was extremely stupid to sit in the middle of a warzone and accomplish nothing. Whether you would be more tactful in talking to their relative is irrelevant.

Well I think it is extremely stupid to say that the UN peacekeepers deserved to die.

This thread is flagrantly biased.

Yup.

 

[Gogf]

What's wrong with Israel's actions?

 

[ComradeDavo]

What's wrong with Israel's actions?

Dead civilians. Dead UN peacekeepers.

 

[Gogf]

Well I think it is extremely stupid to say that the UN peacekeepers deserved to die.

I doubt that's what he meant. I'm willing to bet he was implying that it was their fault and not Israel's...

 

[ComradeDavo]

I doubt that's what he meant. I'm willing to bet he was implying that it was their fault and not Israel's...

It's not like they dropped the bomb on themselves.....

 

[skadistic]

So this is the UN that fired rockets on Israel? Explain how exactly.

The UN allowed the rockets to be fired on Israel by not enforcing 1559.

Now you said that was the USs fault explain your self if you can.

 

[Gogf]

Dead civilians. Dead UN peacekeepers.

Oh, right. I forgot that Israel disobeyed the UN resolution stating that they needed to use their ultra-accurate weapons that avoided harming the civilians who the terrorists intermixed themselves in and the peacekeepers who decided to stay in the middle of the crossfire while they did nothing to stop Hezbollah from attacking Israeli civilians .

 

[Masquerouge]

Now you said that was the USs fault explain your self if you can.

I don't think I said that.

But since this thread is heating up, let me recap my position.

My first post was to say that there was no certainty that Israel deliberately attacked an UN outpost, and I said I found the wording of the thread title dubious.

My other posts mainly try to deal with the IMO outrageous assumption you're making that those peacekeepers deserved to die.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Oh, right. I forgot that Israel disobeyed the UN resolution stating that they needed to use their ultra-accurate weapons that avoided harming the civilians who the terrorists intermixed themselves in and the peacekeepers who decided to stay in the middle of the crossfire while they did nothing to stop Hezbollah from attacking Israeli civilians .

If you are talking about the resolutions, the fact that there still isn't a Palestinian state demonstates well what is wrong with Isreal's actions.

 

[bathsheba666]

This thread is flagrantly biased.

Well, I would say it's unintentionally very funny from an unbiased observer's perspective.

The title is clear.

If the pro-Israelis want to disprove the idea that underlines the title, they could have gone about it in a more intelligent way than saying..

Ah well, it's the UN.
They deserved it.

So I guess I should thank them all for proving my point.

 

[Mott1]

Seems to me like the UN is not very popular with Hezbollah:

in 2001 Hezbollah threatened to attack UNIFIL for spying because it was filming the aftermath of a bloody raid.

The ordinary Lebanese:

Another big problem is that it seems to be detested by ordinary Lebanese. When the aerial bombardment started almost two weeks ago, villagers in the south made their way to a UNIFIL post seeking shelter but were turned away. A group was killed as a result and angry relatives subsequently pelted UNIFIL peacekeepers with stones, a local story that was given wide play in the region.

And the Hezbollah/ lebanese government:

...the top people in the Lebanese government, from Prime Minister Fouad Siniora to Bahia Hariri (the sister of slain former prime minister Rafik Hariri and a popular figure herself) are lukewarm at best to the idea of more peacekeepers. Hariri told the Globe and Mail the other day that such a group would only take the place of Israel as a perceived occupying force.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/realitycheck/20060724sheppard.html

Nobody likes those darn UN folks.

 

[Sidhe]

Maybe because Israel's existence is in fact due to the approval from many countries and the UN in the first place ?

The UN is perfectly useless and Israel are pretty well aware of that.

In this situation yes, and it is a sad enditement of the bias that is passed towards Israel. Let's face it, it's got a friend that does nothing to let it face the music, and sits back and advocates a policy that is so one sided it's pointless, the rest of the world looks on in despair. Let's get back to a time where it actually cares about the other side, or slide ourselves into an oblivion of bias that makes the whole afair meanigless, it isn't the UN that is powerless, it is the US that makes it so, sad state of affairs, and you wonder why you get so much flak, no impartiality ATM, no care for anything but your own views.

How can peace be achieved if only your side is represented? The UN goes all impartial but you don't care and if you keep kicking the we are so right vibe and everyone else is wrong, nothing will come of it. Let both sides face the music and dance, or let nothing be achieved, balls in your court. You once tried to give both sides a fair deal, now all you do is advocate meaningless yin without a yang.

 

[skadistic]

I don't think I said that.

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You didn't say that. ComradeDavo did. I apologize for that.

 

[Masquerouge]

You didn't say that. ComradeDavo did. I apologize for that.

Don't worry. That's why I did a quick recap of what I said, I sensed things were heating up fast...

 

[skadistic]

OMG civility in an Israel thread !!!! Pigs must be flying.

 

[kryszcztov]

When thoes military men signed up to be soldiers they knew the risks as did the families. The UN "peace keepers" where there to keep peace and enforce 1559. They failed they have no one to blame but themselves and the worthless UN that sent them there. When you fail in war you die.

Wrong. Is that the message Israel want to give to the UN and the world ?

You die at war when someone kills you. If Israel deliberately bombed those UN soldiers, then Israel is directly responsible for the death of those soldiers. As far as I know, it's not Hezbollah, nor Hamas, nor Iran, nor Syria, nor God, nor Allah, nor hard luck, nor destiny, etc... that killed them, it's Tsahal. Could be an accident or an attack. But Israel killed some innocent UN peace keepers.

 

[Gogf]

If you are talking about the resolutions, the fact that there still isn't a Palestinian state demonstates well what is wrong with Isreal's actions.

No, it represents that the terrorists don't really care about a Palestinian state. They care about the destruction of Israel. Israel had agreed to a two-state solution, but it was rejected by Yasir Arafat because it included an unacceptable condition: the other state, Israel.