What will be the remaining civs in Brave New World?

[ASLunar]

Absolutely 150,000% Kingdom of Aksum. Part of Brave New World is trading, and it was one of the most important trading empires in the ancient world. It was also considered one of the 4 great empires of their time (with Rome, Persia and China).

Although honestly, I just want Pocahontas in the game for no apparent reason...

 

[Gucumatz]

Ethiopia...

No chance they are getting in. Just like Mali and Khmer have little to no chance of getting in, whether they deserve it or not.

 

[Pouakai]

If the G&K scenarios are any guide, the scenarios won't have any particular relevance to what civs are included. Fewer than half the civs in G&K were related to any of the scenarios, the ones that were related to only two of the three, and the majority of scenario civs didn't make it in. It's not likely that the ACW scenario will include any civs that are represented in the main game.

Fall of Rome: Byzantines, Huns, Celts
Into the Renaissance: Austria, Byzantines, Celts, Netherlands, Sweden, Spain

That's 7/10 of the civs related to the scenarios. The only ones that weren't (Carthage, Ethiopia and Mayans) had something to do with new mechanics (Melee naval and religion respectively)

 

[Zipa_DH]

my bets:

1. Portugal
2. Sioux
3. Bantu ( I'm almost sure they gonna join many african cultures, included Zulu, in one single civ)
4. maybe another ancient mediterrarean civ (Minoans?)
5. Majapahit/ Vietnam
6. Mapuche (I know they aren't very popular, but I think it's an obvious choice for South America)
7. a latin american colonial nation, but no Brazil, because I think spanish american countries (Mexico, Argentina, Colombia, Paraguay, Cuba) have more chances and could represent latin America better than Brazil

 

[Pouakai]

You think Paraguay could represent Latin America better than Brazil?

 

[PhilBowles]

my bets:

1. Portugal
2. Sioux
3. Bantu ( I'm almost sure they gonna join many african cultures, included Zulu, in one single civ)

They almost certainly won't - that would be a reversal of the Civ V trend to get away from Civ IV's lumped-together civs like Native Americans and Vikings and replace them with named states. They've only made exceptions for the Polynesians, who can't readily be incorporated into Civ any other way, and the Celts, who have a precedent for being in Civ. It's very unlikely they'd take a pre-existing, named civ from a previous game and incorporate it as part of a generic ethnic group.

Besides which, Shaka wouldn't be a very appropriate leader for the Bantu generally.

I seriously doubt that Mali was planned from the start, let alone that the reason for Songhai spellings was that.

I don't expect they planned that they necessarily would have a Malian civ, but since it was in a past Civ game they may well have decided to leave the option open from an early stage. The fact that they later used the Great Mosque of Djenne's conventional spelling (and didn't correct the spelling of the Songhai name) suggests that the choice of unconventional spellings for the Songhai city names was deliberate, and it's difficult to think of any other reason why the Songhai would be singled out for deliberately misspelled cities. Those don't appear to be either Malian or French spellings of those city names.

Fall of Rome: Byzantines, Huns, Celts
Into the Renaissance: Austria, Byzantines, Celts, Netherlands, Sweden, Spain

That's 7/10 of the civs related to the scenarios. The only ones that weren't (Carthage, Ethiopia and Mayans) had something to do with new mechanics (Melee naval and religion respectively)

I'd forgotten the Celts were in either, but since neither scenario should logically have had the Celts involved, I suspect they were added to the scenarios because they were there rather than either the civ being selected because of the scenarios or the scenarios being designed to fit the civ. Although the Celts do indeed fit the expansion's religion theme.

I'd also forgotten the Netherlands altogether.

Spain of course doesn't count since it's a pre-existing DLC civ. Still, I have to concede that you have a point that the majority of civs were indeed involved in the scenarios.

Though as for the remainder, it's a bit of a stretch to describe "naval" as a core G&K theme, while the Maya aren't particularly focused towards religion merely by virtue of having a bonus to their faith building (the science boost is the key selling point of that). While none of the new civs got any espionage-related abilities.

 

[Zipa_DH]

You think Paraguay could represent Latin America better than Brazil?

culturally, yes. Two examples: Paraguay is an spanish speaker, the only non spanish speaker country of Latin America is Brazil...latin american countries are known for be entirely republican, the only latin american countries with monarchic tradition are Mexico...and Brazil...I'd like to see brazil, but I'm almost sure if they gonna put any latin american civ, it won't be Brazil. Maybe in a DLC, but no in this expansion

They almost certainly won't - that would be a reversal of the Civ V trend to get away from Civ IV's lumped-together civs like Native Americans and Vikings and replace them with named states. They've only made exceptions for the Polynesians, who can't readily be incorporated into Civ any other way, and the Celts, who have a precedent for being in Civ. It's very unlikely they'd take a pre-existing, named civ from a previous game and incorporate it as part of a generic ethnic group.

Polynesians, Celts, Mayans, and if we are more strict, with India too.

I'm just saying if they did it with all these, why they didn't do it with african civs?

 

[CivOasis]

As much as the points on Brazil stand, the point is that Brazil is one of the two most "iconic" Latin American nations, the other being Mexico - which happens to have the Mayans and Aztecs chewing up a good portion of the country.

Furthering this, I'm not sure why Paraguay would be a particularly favored choice over Brazil... at all.

I would think a Bolivarian-era Colombia would be the most likely pick of a Latin American nation after Brazil, but I still think that Brazil would come first.

Going a bit farther on, to address the "lumped cultures" issue;

The Indian and Mayan cultures are often lumped together by the west. Polynesia, too, is lumped together - not quite to that extant, but most people kind of stop short at "Stone heads and Hawai'i"

As for the Celts, while they aren't perceived as quite so union-y by the west today (more likely than not because they are actually a part of the west), the perspective on the ancient Celts tends to be "those dudes who fought Rome."

The African nations, on the other hand, are more readily noticed as separate. Not many people would think to lump the Swahili and Zulu together right off the bat - even if they are less aware of their history than that of the already "merged" civs.

 

[cybrxkhan]

I'd forgotten the Celts were in either, but since neither scenario should logically have had the Celts involved, I suspect they were added to the scenarios because they were there rather than either the civ being selected because of the scenarios or the scenarios being designed to fit the civ. Although the Celts do indeed fit the expansion's religion theme.

The devs explicitly stated, though I don't remember where, that many of the civs chosen for Gods and Kings were chosen because of the scenarios, not the other way around. Makes sense, too. Though not all of them, of course - but a good chunk.

 

[Haig]

Americas: Sioux, Brazil
Europe: Poland, Portugal, Italy (The dark horse of BNW)
Middle-east: Assyria
Africa: Zulu, Kongo
Asia: Indonesia(Majapahit)

 

[Liex]

culturally, yes. Two examples: Paraguay is an spanish speaker, the only non spanish speaker country of Latin America is Brazil...latin american countries are known for be entirely republican, the only latin american countries with monarchic tradition are Mexico...and Brazil...I'd like to see brazil, but I'm almost sure if they gonna put any latin american civ, it won't be Brazil. Maybe in a DLC, but no in this expansion

So Paraguay - which is more of a Guarani speaker than a Spanish speaker - would represent Latin America better than Brazil because the later speaks Portuguese?

And if the two most populous countries in the region had monarchies, I don't know how republican Latin America was. (Considering that Mexico's monarchy only lasted 2 years, the region was very republican indeed, but we're talking about Latin America, not Hispanic America, so Brazil must be taken into account with all its differences)

Brazil and Bolívar's Colombia are the ones with better chances, followed by Argentina and Mexico. I'd say that Paraguay chances are nonexistent, not even of becoming a City-State.

 

[Haig]

So Paraguay - which is more of a Guarani speaker than a Spanish speaker - would represent Latin America better than Brazil because the later speaks Portuguese?

And if the two most populous countries in the region had monarchies, I don't know how republican Latin America was. (Considering that Mexico's monarchy only lasted 2 years, the region was very republican indeed, but we're talking about Latin America, not Hispanic America, so Brazil must be taken into account with all its differences)

Brazil and Bolívar's Colombia are the ones with better chances, followed by Argentina and Mexico. I'd say that Paraguay chances are nonexistent, not even of becoming a City-State.

I think Brazil is a strong contender because it would PERFECTLY fit some of the new features of Brave New World. It could have bonuses to trade routes and tourism.

Brazil would be flexible to include a food or religious bonus as well.

 

[Cargo Culture]

I'm going for all wildcards:

1. Indonesia
2. Brazil
3. Turkic/Central Asian Civ
4. Vietnam
5. Kongo
6. Ashanti
7. San Marino

 

[awesome]

Anyways, backtracking to my comment on colonies, I did indeed mean the colonial era, and specifically those nations that were results of colonization during the period - in the game, the only one we see is the US, which can largely be attributed to it being the homeland and main market of the game..

It's also in because of accomplishments, at least as much as it is for it's market. Probably more.

 

[steveg700]

I think Brazil is a strong contender because it would PERFECTLY fit some of the new features of Brave New World. It could have bonuses to trade routes and tourism.

Brazil would be flexible to include a food or religious bonus as well.

The catch with tourism is how heavily dependent on slotting great works it its. Brazil's a tourist destination primarily for its festivals, beaches, and resorts.

 

[awesome]

According to the world tourism organization, brazil Isn't in the top ten tourist destinations. In 2008, the most recent year that listed past the top ten on that site, brazil didn't even crak the top 40. If we go by that source--and I say this as somebody who once did a report on tourism in brazil--almost any civilization in the game deserves a tourism bonus before brazil does.

 

[SnowKomodo]

Still can't believe Brazil is hosting both the Olympics and World Cup. Talk about exposure

 

[Xandinho]

my bets:

1. Portugal
2. Sioux
3. Bantu ( I'm almost sure they gonna join many african cultures, included Zulu, in one single civ)
4. maybe another ancient mediterrarean civ (Minoans?)
5. Majapahit/ Vietnam
6. Mapuche (I know they aren't very popular, but I think it's an obvious choice for South America)
7. a latin american colonial nation, but no Brazil, because I think spanish american countries (Mexico, Argentina, Colombia, Paraguay, Cuba) have more chances and could represent latin America better than Brazil

I think Brazil is the only country in Latin America that has a chance to get in the game

1 - Brazil is the largest economy in Latin America

2 - It is the most populous country

3 - It is the largest country in Latin America

4 - It is a country with a strong culture

5 - The Brazil is becoming a world power

Brazil is the best country to represent Latin America, the fact that Brazil does not speak Spanish is a characteristic that favors Brazil, pos differentiates it from other countries in the region.

Gran Colombia and Argentina have very small chances of entering the game, maybe it would be good to get in the game as city-states:

Buenos Aires
Caracas
Bogotá

 

[sukritact]

Brazil is the best country to represent Latin America, the fact that Brazil does not speak Spanish is a characteristic that favors Brazil, pos differentiates it from other countries in the region.

I think Brazil is definitely the most likely South American country to get in. But I disagree on this point. I'd say because of the different languages it's possible that both Brazil and a Spanish-Speaking Latin American country get in, although not both in this this expansion pack.

 

[steveg700]

According to the world tourism organization, brazil Isn't in the top ten tourist destinations. In 2008, the most recent year that listed past the top ten on that site, brazil didn't even crak the top 40. If we go by that source--and I say this as somebody who once did a report on tourism in brazil--almost any civilization in the game deserves a tourism bonus before brazil does.

Yes, if you just look at the list and accept its results, that's fine. But it certainly looks like any entrance by a foreigner for any duration is being considered a tourist. So, if you're just passing through, say for example, Croatia because of its central location, you just helped it look like a tourist hotspot.

Of course, expense has a lot to do with it. Shouldn't be any surprise that people find it easier to hit Tijuna than Rio.

Maylasia's a bit of a surprise. Good for them, I suppose.