bobbyboy29
I was saying boo-urns...
Those look like really great changes! Might even be enough to get me to play another game of Civ 5 since moving back to Civ 4 post patch.
What Would Gandhi Do? - AI Rebalancing Mod
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I suggest playing the PlayWithMe mod + City State Diplomacy + This
Or: Balance - Combined + This
Thanks!
FYI:
I have discovered a compatibility issue with alpaca's PlayWithMe mod (though it is only a visual issue) so I will be releasing a V. 0.3 hotfix mod shortly to deal with this and the conflict with robk's excellent infoaddict.
FYI:
I have discovered a compatibility issue with alpaca's PlayWithMe mod (though it is only a visual issue) so I will be releasing a V. 0.3 hotfix mod shortly to deal with this and the conflict with robk's excellent infoaddict.
Version 0.3 Hotfix now out.
-Fixes compatibility issue with robk's InfoAddict
-Fixes compatibility issue with alpaca's PlayWithMe
In both cases, this mod should load after these to work properly, as this mod incorporates their code, but theirs do not incorporate mine.
-Fixes compatibility issue with robk's InfoAddict
-Fixes compatibility issue with alpaca's PlayWithMe
In both cases, this mod should load after these to work properly, as this mod incorporates their code, but theirs do not incorporate mine.
What visual issue?
The tooltip on units displays unit maintenance cost in alpaca's mod, but this overwrote it. PWM also had a tooltip on settlers to give the city maintenance cost of the next city to be founded.
I added code in the hotfix that would more or less check to see if alpaca's mod attributes existed, and if they did, display his tooltip info.
I added code in the hotfix that would more or less check to see if alpaca's mod attributes existed, and if they did, display his tooltip info.
In the tooltip, I am altering the conditions to display certain AI moods if they are friendly that were previously hidden. It was an awkward decision to hide information so the human player could not gauge deceptiveness.
As for the infoaddict fix, I will need to double check.
As for the infoaddict fix, I will need to double check.
I continue:
In this war in the early 20. century, Egypt wiped out the Iroquois.
First Hiawatha could recapture the capital twice, but then it was all over for him.
We're around 1950, when another big war breaks out!
It is btw the two biggies: China (with 1 CS) vs Egypt (with 4 CSs)
Egypt has smaller Rome as DoF, but Rome has not entered the war (yet?)
China asked me to take part, I said wait 10 turns, but then the war broke out 2 turns later,
so I was not forced to take part - I stay out...
I have Songhai as DoF and DefPact.
It will be interesting, as I now start Apollo Program...
The game is set so either Domination or Science victory is possible.
It was also set tiny, pangaea, 6 civs, 9 CSs
VimesUK
King
When you write....
How would you change your load order of mods...? I know how to do that with the game Fallout but I have no idea how to change the load order with Civ V..?
I am using...
Copasetic UI Tweaks (v 4)
CivWillard (v 1)
Attila Mods (v 13)
InfoAddict (v 10)
Smarter TechTree Pipes (v 1)
Unofficial Patch III (v 32)
WWGD (v 3)
Better Japanese City Names (v 1)
Specialized Barbarian Units (v 2)
Hover Info (v 1)
Thanks for the mod and sharing it
How would you change your load order of mods...? I know how to do that with the game Fallout but I have no idea how to change the load order with Civ V..?
I am using...
Copasetic UI Tweaks (v 4)
CivWillard (v 1)
Attila Mods (v 13)
InfoAddict (v 10)
Smarter TechTree Pipes (v 1)
Unofficial Patch III (v 32)
WWGD (v 3)
Better Japanese City Names (v 1)
Specialized Barbarian Units (v 2)
Hover Info (v 1)
Thanks for the mod and sharing it
Should be fully compatible.
Txurce
Deity
I had Apollo almost built when the game began to crash steadily (...). Until then being a six-center civ trailing the pack on Immortal and not warring kept me friendly with everyone except Siam (competing for same CS) despite not signing any DoF's. Taking Siam's last city after others whittled it down to almost nothing got me labeled a warmongering menace, as usual... but still no blood from my big neighbor. Given that Egypt was on most of my border, and was also competing for the same CS (I always bid back), the balance seems either basically okay or tilted a bit too much toward peace.
Spoiler :
So... it was the 1960 and Chine came and reminded me of what I promised 10 turns before:
war vs. Egypt.
I said yes.
I had DoF with Egypt, so I took rep hit:
after this Songhai don't make DefPact with me, also RA is harder.
It is 2005 now and I have captured 2 enemy CSs, and no repercussions!
My 2nd captured CS is bordering Egypt, and I want to keep it
as it has one aluminium! (I did not have any)
I have no news on how China is vs. Egypt, all I know is they have big armies...
(with the many cities they have)
Note on AI army:
I went to the hilly region of the Egyptian border past my ally CS,
and ally I saw was AAir units, 6-7 of them, both Egyptian and CS...
Later some arties, and finally gunships!
It was like 3 gunships in a wave...
AI has fighters, bombers - but no paratrooper, no infanry, no mech inf.
Mostly AAir units... and arties...
WWGD does several things for this.
1. It increases the positive value of a DoF to -45, so it can handle more negatives
2. Incremental anger adds lower amounts per turn and requires higher thresholds to cause the AI to drop opinion, especially for guessing on victory conditions.
3. WWGD makes the hit from a DoF denouncing you only 10. Until this mechanic is better implemented, it is nerfed as to avoid chain AI idiocy
4. Ignoring an AI request (different than demands) only causes a hit of 5 points. This again is due to irrational AI valuation of goods/gold. While asking for 1 resource early might be ok, asking for your entire bank account mid-game is just bad AI, and the player should not be punished for it.
1. It increases the positive value of a DoF to -45, so it can handle more negatives
2. Incremental anger adds lower amounts per turn and requires higher thresholds to cause the AI to drop opinion, especially for guessing on victory conditions.
3. WWGD makes the hit from a DoF denouncing you only 10. Until this mechanic is better implemented, it is nerfed as to avoid chain AI idiocy
4. Ignoring an AI request (different than demands) only causes a hit of 5 points. This again is due to irrational AI valuation of goods/gold. While asking for 1 resource early might be ok, asking for your entire bank account mid-game is just bad AI, and the player should not be punished for it.
That was a really interesting explanation about the mechanics that I had kind of a hard time to understand. ^^
From what I've seen in the files, there are only a few good modifiers:
- You are far away from each other: -6
- You are obviously not going for the same victory: -6
- You have returned a civilian: -20 (which means that if you have the chance, it will really help your relationships with this civ)
- You have a DoF: -35
- You have a DoF with one of their friends: -15
- You have denounced one of their enemies: -15
There are these 6 positive modifiers and then there are dozens of negatives, going from "we are neighbours" which get worse as time goes by to "you refused a request" or ignoring or breaking a promise.
If we had access to the C++ engine, we'd be able to add new positives and make it count, for instance making a friendship be more important the longer you keep it and adding positive modifiers for going to war against a mutual enemy.
As we can't do this for the moment, what can be done on positive modifiers is very limited.
However, in the Vanilla game, I was able to keep peace for a very long time with some Civs (even close ones) by doing this:
- returning a civilian whenever I get the chance.
- choosing only 2-3 civs which already like each other to DoF with. This way, you get the -35 modifier for the DoF and the -15 modifier for being friend with one of their friend.
- Whenever a Civ I'm friend with denounces another one with whom I'm not friend with, I denounce them too, getting then another -15 to our relationships for a total (if I'm not mistaken) of -65, assuming I wasn't able to return a civilian to that Civ (otherwise it's -85).
With such a bonus, my friends turn on me only in the late stages of the game on Prince level.
I think some stuff which could be interesting to try would be to:
- making denouncement more about finding other friends than hurting your former one. For instance, the "Denounced an enemy" could be increased to -25 or -30 while the malus "you've been denounced by a friend could be reduced from +25 to only +5 or something like that. This would stop the chain reaction of denouncements, at least I hope so.
- Reduce the malus given in the later stages of the game, not by too much but so that you can still be friends with a Civ with whom you only had peaceful relationships.
One quick question: do you get the -15 bonus for denouncing a friend every time you do it or only one time? I guess it's only one time.
From what I've seen in the files, there are only a few good modifiers:
- You are far away from each other: -6
- You are obviously not going for the same victory: -6
- You have returned a civilian: -20 (which means that if you have the chance, it will really help your relationships with this civ)
- You have a DoF: -35
- You have a DoF with one of their friends: -15
- You have denounced one of their enemies: -15
There are these 6 positive modifiers and then there are dozens of negatives, going from "we are neighbours" which get worse as time goes by to "you refused a request" or ignoring or breaking a promise.
If we had access to the C++ engine, we'd be able to add new positives and make it count, for instance making a friendship be more important the longer you keep it and adding positive modifiers for going to war against a mutual enemy.
As we can't do this for the moment, what can be done on positive modifiers is very limited.
However, in the Vanilla game, I was able to keep peace for a very long time with some Civs (even close ones) by doing this:
- returning a civilian whenever I get the chance.
- choosing only 2-3 civs which already like each other to DoF with. This way, you get the -35 modifier for the DoF and the -15 modifier for being friend with one of their friend.
- Whenever a Civ I'm friend with denounces another one with whom I'm not friend with, I denounce them too, getting then another -15 to our relationships for a total (if I'm not mistaken) of -65, assuming I wasn't able to return a civilian to that Civ (otherwise it's -85).
With such a bonus, my friends turn on me only in the late stages of the game on Prince level.
I think some stuff which could be interesting to try would be to:
- making denouncement more about finding other friends than hurting your former one. For instance, the "Denounced an enemy" could be increased to -25 or -30 while the malus "you've been denounced by a friend could be reduced from +25 to only +5 or something like that. This would stop the chain reaction of denouncements, at least I hope so.
- Reduce the malus given in the later stages of the game, not by too much but so that you can still be friends with a Civ with whom you only had peaceful relationships.
One quick question: do you get the -15 bonus for denouncing a friend every time you do it or only one time? I guess it's only one time.
Txurce
Deity
I am getting the same benefits (or more) with WWGD by simply not signing any DoF's, and denouncing no one except a pariah who's denounced me. Primarily, this counters the "I am an the enemy of my friend's enemy" diplo hit, which seems to have more of a negative effect on trade and peace than a DoF does on the positive end of the scale.
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