Which civs woul you add to my "more even" design for CIV7?

[BuchiTaton]

Hi everybody!
I am still a CIV4 mods player, in part because I dont like some design choices on CIV6. Two of those reasons (between others) are the way eras are distributed and the selection of civlizations.

So, just for fun I did my own selection of civs for CIV7. Still, I decided to put myself some design restrictions:
1- Start with 18 base or "vanilla" civs.
2- Try to represent the world balancing relevance and diversity, both in terms of spatial and temporal distribution.
3- Consider the previous civs and leaders from CIVS 4, 5 and 6 to add some novelties, without forget
the essential ones.
4- Add 3 expansions based on the above.

Then, I achieved this design:

ERAS:
- 8 Eras, kind of generalized from the traditional western history.
- Instead of have way more Eras on the recent history, the fast changing technology, warfare and ideologies could be represented by numerous upgrades on the later eras.
- You can see that Huayna Capac, Ce Acatl Topiltzin and Shakushain dont correspond with the supposed years, but this was because I tried to approach them to the technological equivalent of their UUs.
REGIONS:
- The World is divided on 6 geographic regions.
- This regions match on some degree with the original cradles of civilizations and the later cultural influence areas.
- Oceania civs could be added either on Far East or America regions, as needed.
18 BASE CIVS:
- Originally I had chosen the "indispensable" 24 civs, but leave out 6 of them for the first expansion.
- This civs cover from Ancient to Mechanized eras, each era represented with 3 civs.
- Africa 2, America 2, South Asia 2, Far East 3, Middle East 3 and Europe 6 civs.
EXPANSIONS:
- 3 expansion each one with 6 civs.
- Each expansion add 1 civ per region and 1 civ per era.

Now, I want to know 2 things:
1- What you think about this design and selection?
2- Which civs would you like to be added on a "small DLC" design of groups of 2 to 4 civs. Preferably with a thematic.

For example which civs and leaders could be added for Neolithic civs like Iroquois (Hiawatha) or Maori (Kupe).

 

[Morningcalm]

I think Seonjo for Korea is not a great leader choice—he was considered incompetent, and badly bungled the defense during the Imjin war (thank goodness we had Admiral Yi Sunshin to save the day). Sejong would be a better choice, or Gwanggaeto.

Some of the leader choices are interesting but unworkable—Wilhelm II for Germany would inspire some fan hate for sure, and a mythical Toltec leader would cause problems. Not a problem to have Caesar for Rome or Genghis Khan for Mongolia though.

 

[BuchiTaton]

I think Seonjo for Korea is not a great leader choice—he was considered incompetent, and badly bungled the defense during the Imjin war (thank goodness we had Admiral Yi Sunshin to save the day). Sejong would be a better choice, or Gwanggaeto.

Certainly Sejong is a way better option for a great korean leader that Seonjo, I chose Seonjo mainly to have a leader that corresponds with Hwacha and Geobukseon, but even if far from perfect I think Seonjo still have enough positive points to be considered, especially with examples like Cleopatra or previous Moctezuma II. Also some weak points give leaders more personality, or would not be interesting to see the reaction of Seonjo to a war declaration?!

Some of the leader choices are interesting but unworkable—Wilhelm II for Germany would inspire some fan hate for sure, and a mythical Toltec leader would cause problems. Not a problem to have Caesar for Rome or Genghis Khan for Mongolia though.

Wilhelm II was to match with Fokker Triplane and U-19, also as option for a German leader from a WW without add that guy that looks like Charles Chaplin. If CIV6 is liked with their cartoon like leaders, Wilhelm behavior could give ous "entertaining" diplomatic moments.

About Ce Acatl Topiltzin, he is not considered 100% mythological, just mystified like Gilgamesh or Kupe. Besides, Ce Acatl Topiltzin would be a great chance to change warmongering "Monties" for a sage peaceful king.

Did you have any civ that would you like to be added?

 

[Morningcalm]

@BuchiTaton The leaders don’t have to match the unique units, and anyway Sejong matches both the Hwacha and Gobukson since the hwacha was active in his time, and the Gwiseon, an early turtle ship prototype, was developed around the time of his early reign (though Admiral Yi improved it later). Seonjo, meanwhile, had few positive traits I can think of. He was utterly unprepared, and almost had Admiral Yi Sunshin executed for supposed treason (court intrigue).

Similarly, that Wilhelm II might be “entertaining” in some way (like in a parody) doesn’t mean he warrants inclusion in Civ. Civ generally likes to pick iconic or accomplished leaders, even if not all were as such “amazing rulers” and many iconic leaders had their flaws too (Mehmed II had a creepy fascination with male youths, FDR had the Japanese Americans put in internment camps, Isabella was cruel to Jews, etc).

I would like Benin, Ashanti, Gran Colombia/Colombia added as civs.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Well, after all Otto von Bismarck and Sejong are close enough to the time periods I want for Germany and Korea (way closer that Barbarossa and Seondeok).

Benin and Ashanti are nice options, something from the Guinea Coast region is really needed at this point. Colombia is also a good option, add Hispanic America, northen South America and Bolivar would be the only "independence hero" since Brazil and America have leader from later eras.

 

[Morningcalm]

I think the game is in dire need of Colombia. Aside from the fact that the US is the only colonial “revolt” Civ of sorts (though not in Civ VI), it was arguably the most important nation in all South American history, even if Gran Colombia was short-lived. Because of Bolivar, South America was free from Spain.

I don’t mind Brazil and Pedro II, but I would want Pedro II to be portrayed in a more dignified way in future iterations.

 

[Xandinho]

I would like to try this challenge, but I find it quite difficult to represent evenly all the ages and regions by adding just 6 civilizations per expansion, I think I'll try it later.

Anyway, my design would be similar to yours, with some replacements of leaders and civilizations. For example, I would cut Songhai and Numidians for Mali and Morocco. I would cut Cholas to add Khmer. I would add another Mayan leader and I would prefer to have Aztecs instead of Toltecs. I would cut Khazars to include Babylon. I would cut Manchus and Ainus for other civs. And a civ from Oceania is missing.

 

[Sirsquier]

Alexander was Macedonian. Besides that I find no problems

 

[BuchiTaton]

I would like to try this challenge, but I find it quite difficult to represent evenly all the ages and regions by adding just 6 civilizations per expansion, I think I'll try it later.

Add 6 to cover 6 eras and 6 regions was hard and kind of obssesive , but still really fun!

I must add that language diversity was another element that I tried to cover.

I would cut Songhai and Numidians for Mali and Morocco. I would cut Cholas to add Khmer. I would add another Mayan leader and I would prefer to have Aztecs instead of Toltecs. I would cut Khazars to include Babylon. I would cut Manchus and Ainus for other civs. And a civ from Oceania is missing.

- Songhai instead Mali because Mali is on CIV6 and Soghai are Nilo-Saharan while Mande is Niger-Congo related, being Kongo representative of Bantu peoples and "Guinea proxy".
- Numidians over Morocco, even if medieval Morocco achieved way more that Numidians, I already had 6 medieval civs including Arabs and Songhai (two muslim civs from arid regions). Also Numidians were on the shadow of Carthaginians and Romans, but Masinissa was a great leader with interesing gameplay potential, plus to be from Classical era, pagan, and from berber language branch instead of semitic like Phoenicia/Carthage, that already have many representatives.
- Chola because India have a terrible underrepresentation on CIV games. Chola represent southern Hindu Dravidians from medieval time vs Muaghals the northen Muslim Indoaryans from Renaissance. Meanwhile Khmer are on CIV6 giving to Vietnam represention of Austroasiatic people.
- Toltecs were Nahua like Aztecs, but with a complety new perspective apart from the bloody "Monties".
- Khazars give ous a second Turkic nation, from a different era, region, branch, religion (Judaism!) and way of life that Ottomans. Babylonia is too similar to Assyria, being this last in a place that leave more space to grow for them and Sumeria (so 2 mesopotamian civs).
- For me Far East is also misrepresented. Tibet and Manchuria are two great options, but I leave Tibet out because medieval time was already full and Tibet is way more conflictive to modern chinese politics that Manchuria.
- Ainus are for me the weirdest of my suggestions, they certainly could be cut for Maori. But they still have potential, since they would be something new, fit like USA's natives or Polynesians the trope of "tribes vs colonial power", have a long history of keep a "primitive" way of life while use "modern" weapons, are a proxy of Siberian peoples (a huge region like North America or Ocenia).
- For Mayans, I chose Jacinto Pat even being a lesser know leader from the impressive and long mayan history to show that mayans fought bravely (even now) againts colonial nations. So they took part of the role that NA nations or Mapuche use on CIV series.

My top civs that I really wanted to add but had to leave out becasue my own restrictions are:
- Kush (Nubians)
- Magyars
- Maori
- Shawnee or Iroquois
- Tibet

 

[BuchiTaton]

Alexander was Macedonian. Besides that I find no problems

Everybody call "Mayans" to a broad group of related but still diverse peoples from a huge time range and a bigger region, so I dont see why not call Macedonians "Greeks" when they are close related I mean, I know there were a lot of migrations and changes after classical Greece, and the made up nationalism since 19th century, but all the mess about modern Macedonia official name say ous something about these "extended Greece" that fit with Alexander like did with Genghis "Mongolia".

 

[Sirsquier]

Don't know still prefer the Civ 6 way where he rules Macedonian and the other two rule greece.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Don't know still prefer the Civ 6 way where he rules Macedonian and the other two rule greece.

Yep, is also valid to see them as different civs.
Alexander is a must, because their conquests and the many Alexandrias he founded. While most of the "proper greek" leaders are either "defensive patriots" or "cult kings", things like that can be saved for many other civs. So with few slots avaible I need to have them as the same civ. Similar case with Rome/Byzantium, on this one alternative leader for Byzantines could works.

 

[Michaelf7777777]

I like this idea as a challenge and as a good way to have both geographic and time period diversity in the civ lineup. I would however combine the two asia's and make it a region which gets two leaders per period and split Europe up into Western and Eastern with Western Europe getting two leaders per period. I would also change the ages so that classical and medieval are split in half and so that for the purpose of leaders Mechanized and Informatic are combined. I would also judge the age on the actual timeperiod that the leader ruled. Here then is my proposed 72 leader line-up for a future civ edition that uses this matrix as a way of choosing its leaders. Every cell with a good leader choice will have at least one representative. Additionally every region and every era will have at least 8 leaders representing it. The structure for this line-up will be a base game with 18 civs, 1 alternate leader and a pre-order bonus civilization; 6 DLC's with 2 leaders each (at least one of which will be a new civilization); and 4 expansions with 10 leaders (9 new civs and 1 alternate leader):

Base Game

America (Thomas Jefferson, Enlightenment, America's)
Babylon (Hammurabi, Ancient, Middle East)
Byzantines (Pulcheria, Late Classical, Eastern Europe)
China (Wu Zetian, Early Medieval, Asia)
Chola's (Karikala, Late Classical, Asia)
Egypt (Hatshepsut, Ancient, Africa)
England (Elizabeth I, Renaissance, Western Europe)
France (Napoleon, Enlightenment, Western Europe)
Germany (Otto von Bismarck, Enlightenment, Western Europe)
Inca (Mama Ocllo Coya, Late Medieval, America's)
Korea (Hyeokgeose of Silla, Early Classical, Asia)
Mali (Mansa Musa, Late Medieval, Africa)
Mughals (Akbar, Renaissance, Asia)
Netherlands (Wilhelmina, Modern, Western Europe)
Persia (Atossa, Early Classical, Middle East)
Rome (Marcus Aurelius, Late Classical, Western Europe)
Rus (Olga of Kiev, Early Medieval, Eastern Europe)
Turks (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Modern, Middle East)
Alternate Leader: France and Germany (Charlemagne, Early Medieval, Western Europe)
Pre-order Bonus: Mongols (Mandukhai, Late Medieval, Asia)

DLC's

DLC1 (Dual Leaders): Vietnam (Trung Trac and Trung Nhi, Late Classical, Asia) and Egypt Alternate Leader (Akhenaten and Nefertiti, Ancient, Africa)
DLC2 (Cold War): Soviet Union (Nikita Khrushchev, Modern, Eastern Europe) and America Alternate Leader (Richard Nixon, Modern, America's)
DLC3 (Punic Wars): Carthage (Hannibal, Early Classical, Africa) and Rome Alternate Leader (Scipio Africanus, Early Classical, Rome)
DLC4 (Asian Modernization): Japan (Meiji, Modern, Asia) and Korea Alternate Leader (Myeongseong, Enlightenment, Asia)
DLC5 (African Colonial Resistance): Matamba (Nzinga, Renaissance, Africa) and Ethiopia (Taytu Betul, Enlightenment, Africa)
DLC6 (Empire Rescuers): Hittites (Suppiluliuma I, Ancient, Middle East) and Byzantines Alternate Leader (Alexios I Komnenos, Late Medieval, Eastern Europe)

Expansion 1

Austria (Maria Theresa, Enlightenment, Eastern Europe)
Aztecs (Itzcoatl, Late Medieval, America's)
Ireland (Michael Collins, Modern, Western Europe)
Khmer (Jayavarman II, Early Medieval, Asia)
Maurya's (Ashoka, Early Classical, Asia)
Mississippians (Tuskaloosa, Renaissance, America's)
Palmyra (Zenobia, Late Classical, Middle East)
Spain (Isabella I of Castile, Renaissance, Western Europe)
Zulu (Mkabayi kaJama, Enlightenment, Africa)
Alternate Leader: China (Yu the Great, Ancient, Asia)

Expansion 2

Argentina (Eva Peron, Modern, America's)
Berbers (Dihya, Early Medieval, Africa)
Burma (Anawrahta, Late Medieval, Asia)
Greece (Cleisthenes, Ancient, Eastern Europe)
Maratha's (Tarabai, Enlightenment, Asia)
Maya (Lady Xoc, Early Medieval, America's)
Portugal (Afonso de Albuquerque, Renaissance, Western Europe)
Sicily (Roger II, Late Medieval, Western Europe)
Tuscany (Lorenzo de' Medici, Late Medieval, Western Europe)
Alternate Leader: Persia (Mithridates I, Early Classical, Middle East)

Expansion 3

Arabs (Al-Ma'mun, Early Medieval, Middle East)
Assyria (Shammuramat, Ancient, Middle East)
Benin (Idia, Renaissance, Africa)
Britons (Queen Gwendolen, Ancient, Western Europe)
Gauls (Vercingetorix, Early Classical, Western Europe)
Maori (Te Whiti o Rongomai, Enlightenment, Asia)
Philippines (Corazon Aquino, Modern, Asia)
Poland (Bona Sforza, Renaissance, Eastern Europe)
Teotihuacan (Spearthrower Owl, Late Classical, America's)
Alternate Leader: Turks (Mehmed II, Late Medieval, Middle East)

Expansion 4

Ghana (Kwame Nkrumah, Modern, Africa)
Goths (Theoderic the Great, Late Classical, Western Europe)
Haryanka (Bimbisara, Ancient, Asia)
Hebrews (Gracia Mendes Nasi, Renaissance, Middle East)
Indonesia (Keumalahayati, Renaissance, Asia)
Macedon (Alexander the Great, Early Classical, Eastern Europe)
Norse (Margaret I, Late Medieval, Western Europe)
Oman (Saif bin Sultan, Enlightenment, Middle East)
Tlingit (Katlian, Enlightenment, America's)
Alternate Leader: England (AEthelflaed, Early Medieval, Western Europe)

 

[BuchiTaton]

I like this idea as a challenge and as a good way to have both geographic and time period diversity in the civ lineup. I would however combine the two asia's and make it a region which gets two leaders per period and split Europe up into Western and Eastern with Western Europe getting two leaders per period. I would also change the ages so that classical and medieval are split in half and so that for the purpose of leaders Mechanized and Informatic are combined. I would also judge the age on the actual timeperiod that the leader ruled. Here then is my proposed 72 leader line-up for a future civ edition that uses this matrix as a way of choosing its leaders. Every cell with a good leader choice will have at least one representative. Additionally every region and every era will have at least 8 leaders representing it. The structure for this line-up will be a base game with 18 civs, 1 alternate leader and a pre-order bonus civilization; 6 DLC's with 2 leaders each (at least one of which will be a new civilization); and 4 expansions with 10 leaders (9 new civs and 1 alternate leader)...

Nice, pretty ambitious!
Well, is likely to get at least the 3th expansion for CIV6, for a total of 50 civs. So is reasonable to have some more on CIV7 (while each game add more mechanics to expand civ gameplay designs).

I liked the "Dual Leaders" DLC idea. Akhenaten and Nefertiti would be an interesting couple, and their religious reforms should give ous some funny options.

 

[WickedChild]

I have to say that this is quite a nice division. Very balanced, indeed. I were in doubt how to plan which civs and how would I add to my own design and used a similar method, but with a difference that I divided "Mechanized" era between Industrial and Modern Era, like in the previous games, but this inovation is good as well; I like especially the fact that you divided India between "Mughals" and "Cholas", and that would be a fantastic revolution in the series
As my design is very expanding in terms of civ quantity (64 at all), I had to divide the Americas, Europe and South Asia is basically "Indo-Austronesia". The subdivisions would be just historical and cultural criteria.
Plus, I kinda made two spreadsheets because I wanted to use the Civ2 concept of dual gender for the leaders. I don't know if this would be confusing, but hey that's just my idea
(unnacurrate time period may reffer to main historical culture)

Vanilla
Persia (Khosraw and Artemisia I) - Classical Middle East
Arabia (Al-Walid and Zubaidah) - Medieval Middle East
Egypt (Hatshepsut and Akhenaten) - Ancient Africa
Ethiopia (Malikat and Menelik II) - Ancient Africa
England (Alfred the Great and Victoria) - Classical Europe
France (Philip II and Jeanne d'Arc) - Medieval Europe
Poland (Jadwiga and Sigismund II) - Medieval Europe
Russia (Peter I and Catherine II) - Enlightened Europe
Germany (Wilhelm II and Angela Merkel*) - Modern Europe
Greece (Solon and Aspasis) - Ancient Mediterranean
Rome (Livia Drusilla and Marcus Aurelian) - Classical Mediterranean
Aztec (Montezuma and Isabel) - Medieval North America
Iroquoi (Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee) - Renaissance North America
America (the Roosevelts - Franklin and Eleanor) - Modern North America
China (Wu Zhao and Yongle) - Medieval Far East
Japan (Himiko and Meiji) - Medieval Far East
India (Chandra Gupta II and Indira Gandhi) - Classical Austronesia
Aboriginal (Windradyne and Truganini) - Enlightened Austronesia
*I don't know if it would be a good idea putting current leaders, but she's the only important female leader that I know in german history

DLC
DLC1: Austria (Maria Theresa and Fran Joseph) - Enlightened Europe + Austrian War of Sucession Scenario
DLC2: Spain (Isabella and Carlos III) - Renaissance Mediterranean
DLC2: Moorish (Abd al-Rahman III and Al-Rumaikiyya) - Medieval Africa + Reconquista Scenario
DLC3: Siam (Suriyothai and Taksin) - Renaissance Austronesia
DLC3: Vietnam (Trung Sisters and Ho Chin Minh) - Classical Far East
DLC3: Tonga (Aho'eitu and Salote Tupou III) - Medieval Austronesia + Pacific Golden Age Scenario
DLC4: Brazil (Maria Quitéria and Getulio Vargas*) - Enlightened South America + Era Vargas Scenario
*although I'd prefer Pedro II to represent Brazil, I think that Vargas could expand more of the brazilian strategy

1st Expansion
Ottoman (Roxelana and Abdul Mejid) - Renaissance Middle East
Zimbabwe (Nyatsimba Mutota) - Classical Africa
Ireland (Brian Boru and Grace O'Milley) - Classical Europe
Norway (Lagertha and Haakon IV) - Classical Europe
Netherlands (Maurice van Nassau and Wilhelmina) - Renaissance Europe
Phoenicia (Hiram I and Dido) - Ancient Mediterranean
Byzantine (Basil II and Theodora) - Classical Mediterranean
Mayan (Yuknoom and Lady Six-Sky) - Ancient North America
Dene (Thanadelthur) - Enlightened North America
Tupi (Cunhambebe and Clara Camarão) - Renaissance South America
Korea (Seondeok and Seonjo) - Classical Far East
Mongolia (Genghis Khan and Mandukhai Khatun) - Medieval Far East
Australia (Henry Parkes and Catherine Helen Spance) - Industrial Austronesia

2nd Expansion
Akkad (Sargon) - Ancient Middle East
Israel (David and Golda Meir) - Ancient Middle East
Armenia (Tigranes II and Zabel) - Classical Middle East
Kongo (Nzinga Mbande and Mvemba a' Nzinga) - Renaissance Africa
Romania (Carol I) - Industrial Europe
Papal States (Innocence III and Pope Joan*) - Medieval Mediterranean
Portugal (Afonso Henrique and Maria I) - Medieval Mediterranean
Toltec (Ce Acatl Topiltzin) - Medieval North America
Mexico (Benito Juarez) - Industrial North America
Incan (Mama Occla and Huayna Capac) - Medieval South America
Latin American (Simon Bolivar and Juana Azurduy) - Enlightened South America
Tibet (Ah Mi and Songtsen Gampo) - Classical Austronesia
Turkic (Timur) - Medieval Far East
*I know this is pollemic as hell (literally for some)

3rd Expansion
Oman (Saif bin Sultan) - Renaissance Middle East
Mali (Sundhata Keita) - Medieval Africa
Benin (Idia and Ewuare) - Renaissance Africa
Madagascar (Ranavalona and Adrianampoinimerina) - Enlightened Africa
Massai (Mbatian) - Industrial Africa
Sweden (Christina and Carolus Rex) - Renaissance Europe
Sioux (Sitting Bull) - Industrial North America
Marajoara (Cunha Moaçara and Piyé Mapuá) - Medieval South America
Argentina (José de San Martin and Evita Peron) - Industrial South America
Indonesia (Raden Wijaya and Gitarja) - Medieval Austronesia
Burma (Anawratha Minsaw and Supayalat) - Industrial Austronesia

Although it's quite unconvenient invading this thread by now, I just want to know if asking it is still valid

 

[BuchiTaton]

I have to say that this is quite a nice division. Very balanced, indeed. I were in doubt how to plan which civs and how would I add to my own design and used a similar method, but with a difference that I divided "Mechanized" era between Industrial and Modern Era, like in the previous games, but this inovation is good as well; I like especially the fact that you divided India between "Mughals" and "Cholas", and that would be a fantastic revolution in the series
As my design is very expanding in terms of civ quantity (64 at all), I had to divide the Americas, Europe and South Asia is basically "Indo-Austronesia". The subdivisions would be just historical and cultural criteria.
Plus, I kinda made two spreadsheets because I wanted to use the Civ2 concept of dual gender for the leaders. I don't know if this would be confusing, but hey that's just my idea
(unnacurrate time period may reffer to main historical culture)

Vanilla
Persia (Khosraw and Artemisia I) - Classical Middle East
Arabia (Al-Walid and Zubaidah) - Medieval Middle East
Egypt (Hatshepsut and Akhenaten) - Ancient Africa
Ethiopia (Malikat and Menelik II) - Ancient Africa
England (Alfred the Great and Victoria) - Classical Europe
France (Philip II and Jeanne d'Arc) - Medieval Europe
Poland (Jadwiga and Sigismund II) - Medieval Europe
Russia (Peter I and Catherine II) - Enlightened Europe
Germany (Wilhelm II and Angela Merkel*) - Modern Europe
Greece (Solon and Aspasis) - Ancient Mediterranean
Rome (Livia Drusilla and Marcus Aurelian) - Classical Mediterranean
Aztec (Montezuma and Isabel) - Medieval North America
Iroquoi (Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee) - Renaissance North America
America (the Roosevelts - Franklin and Eleanor) - Modern North America
China (Wu Zhao and Yongle) - Medieval Far East
Japan (Himiko and Meiji) - Medieval Far East
India (Chandra Gupta II and Indira Gandhi) - Classical Austronesia
Aboriginal (Windradyne and Truganini) - Enlightened Austronesia
*I don't know if it would be a good idea putting current leaders, but she's the only important female leader that I know in german history

DLC
DLC1: Austria (Maria Theresa and Fran Joseph) - Enlightened Europe + Austrian War of Sucession Scenario
DLC2: Spain (Isabella and Carlos III) - Renaissance Mediterranean
DLC2: Moorish (Abd al-Rahman III and Al-Rumaikiyya) - Medieval Africa + Reconquista Scenario
DLC3: Siam (Suriyothai and Taksin) - Renaissance Austronesia
DLC3: Vietnam (Trung Sisters and Ho Chin Minh) - Classical Far East
DLC3: Tonga (Aho'eitu and Salote Tupou III) - Medieval Austronesia + Pacific Golden Age Scenario
DLC4: Brazil (Maria Quitéria and Getulio Vargas*) - Enlightened South America + Era Vargas Scenario
*although I'd prefer Pedro II to represent Brazil, I think that Vargas could expand more of the brazilian strategy

1st Expansion
Ottoman (Roxelana and Abdul Mejid) - Renaissance Middle East
Zimbabwe (Nyatsimba Mutota) - Classical Africa
Ireland (Brian Boru and Grace O'Milley) - Classical Europe
Norway (Lagertha and Haakon IV) - Classical Europe
Netherlands (Maurice van Nassau and Wilhelmina) - Renaissance Europe
Phoenicia (Hiram I and Dido) - Ancient Mediterranean
Byzantine (Basil II and Theodora) - Classical Mediterranean
Mayan (Yuknoom and Lady Six-Sky) - Ancient North America
Dene (Thanadelthur) - Enlightened North America
Tupi (Cunhambebe and Clara Camarão) - Renaissance South America
Korea (Seondeok and Seonjo) - Classical Far East
Mongolia (Genghis Khan and Mandukhai Khatun) - Medieval Far East
Australia (Henry Parkes and Catherine Helen Spance) - Industrial Austronesia

2nd Expansion
Akkad (Sargon) - Ancient Middle East
Israel (David and Golda Meir) - Ancient Middle East
Armenia (Tigranes II and Zabel) - Classical Middle East
Kongo (Nzinga Mbande and Mvemba a' Nzinga) - Renaissance Africa
Romania (Carol I) - Industrial Europe
Papal States (Innocence III and Pope Joan*) - Medieval Mediterranean
Portugal (Afonso Henrique and Maria I) - Medieval Mediterranean
Toltec (Ce Acatl Topiltzin) - Medieval North America
Mexico (Benito Juarez) - Industrial North America
Incan (Mama Occla and Huayna Capac) - Medieval South America
Latin American (Simon Bolivar and Juana Azurduy) - Enlightened South America
Tibet (Ah Mi and Songtsen Gampo) - Classical Austronesia
Turkic (Timur) - Medieval Far East
*I know this is pollemic as hell (literally for some)

3rd Expansion
Oman (Saif bin Sultan) - Renaissance Middle East
Mali (Sundhata Keita) - Medieval Africa
Benin (Idia and Ewuare) - Renaissance Africa
Madagascar (Ranavalona and Adrianampoinimerina) - Enlightened Africa
Massai (Mbatian) - Industrial Africa
Sweden (Christina and Carolus Rex) - Renaissance Europe
Sioux (Sitting Bull) - Industrial North America
Marajoara (Cunha Moaçara and Piyé Mapuá) - Medieval South America
Argentina (José de San Martin and Evita Peron) - Industrial South America
Indonesia (Raden Wijaya and Gitarja) - Medieval Austronesia
Burma (Anawratha Minsaw and Supayalat) - Industrial Austronesia

Although it's quite unconvenient invading this thread by now, I just want to know if asking it is still valid

Thank you!

Is nice to see this thread again.

Wow, your selection is certainly ambitious on numbers. Personaly I would not have any problem with huge number of civs, but I limited mine to chose what seems to be the "best" options. Maybe I should add some more slots

Is also interesting the addition of leaders of both genders, this complicate the design but also make it more intersting for sure.

My favorite civ choices for yout design are Tupi and Marajoara.

 

[WickedChild]

My favorite civ choices for yout design are Tupi and Marajoara.

I see you are a man of culture as well
In fact, the native brazilians have a very interesting culture and characterists, and imo they need more representation in the civ series (at least the Tupis). Here in Brazil, at least, they had a very significant role for the construction of our culture (not to mention that they settled the most part of South America and influenced many tribes around the continent).
I think that someday I shall post my own thread, maybe even specifying the mechanics of these two civs.

As for you, I'd be interested in pick the Numidians and Chola (have a special love for the Twareg and Indic cultures

 

[BuchiTaton]

In fact, the native brazilians have a very interesting culture and characterists, and imo they need more representation in the civ series (at least the Tupis).

South America is under represented on CIV series. Is great that devs added Brazil and Mapuches. On game Brazil is kind of the equivalent of USA for South America and Mapuches took the role of the native nations. So if they add another native nation from North America, would be great if they also add some of the most relevant from South America like the Tupis.

As for you, I'd be interested in pick the Numidians and Chola (have a special love for the Twareg and Indic cultures

Numidians ended being a great option to cover both a Berber nation and some alternative to Carthage. Chola (or Tamils as a broader option) is one of the most distinctive empires from India, is a shame CIV series keep pushing the notion of India and China as a unified entity all their history when we already had Rome and Venice and HRE and Germany.

 

[WickedChild]

South America is under represented on CIV series. Is great that devs added Brazil and Mapuches. On game Brazil is kind of the equivalent of USA for South America and Mapuches took the role of the native nations. So if they add another native nation from North America, would be great if they also add some of the most relevant from South America like the Tupis.

I think this happens as a level of regional representantion for both countries, as these are huge colonial superpowers that covered inumerous indigenous cultural areas, such as Great Plains (representend in Civ5 as the Shoshones), the Pacific Coast, Eastern Coast (represented as the Iroquois), as for Brazil, we have the Amazonian Marajoaras, Cerrado Kuikuros, the Atlantic Coast Tupis, the Gran Chaco Guaranis, the Charruas at the Pampas...
I think a brilliant brandnew native american choice would be the Mississipians (i feel they would resemble an equivalent strategy of the Marajoaras imo).

Numidians ended being a great option to cover both a Berber nation and some alternative to Carthage. Chola (or Tamils as a broader option) is one of the most distinctive empires from India, is a shame CIV series keep pushing the notion of India and China as a unified entity all their history when we already had Rome and Venice and HRE and Germany.

Well, the conception of 'civilization' is variable. It can represent a great empire formed by different people (as it was in the early games) or being a regional small nation (like Venice), and I do agree that they should try these concepts for the future games.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

This is a very interesting idea so I'd thought I'd try it myself with the given rules you set out (especially since I have time given the quarantine)!

- I was stuck between choosing the Natchez or Iroquois for a bit. On one hand, the Natchez were an impressive moundbuilder civ that drove off De Soto's expedition. On the other hand, the Iroquois were an impressive juggernaut that, when not making peace between themselves or conquering nearby tribes, were playing the European powers against each other. I ultimately settled with the Iroquois on this one but either will work.
- I originally had Shaka and the Zulu in Expansion 3 with Otto I leading Germany. However, I really wanted to include Mansa Musa and Mali. As much as I REALLY wanted to include all the original 15 civs from Civ 1, I decided to from Zulu to Mali and have Wilhelm I lead Germany.
- Ultimately, I felt that Hannibal's civ could be called either Phoenicia or Carthage and that you could have be centered in either Africa or the Middle East. It just worked out better for me to have it in Africa.
- Cheng of Zhou seems to me like the best choice of a Chinese ruler from before 500BC.
- I would've wanted a Medieval Caliph to lead Arabia but the Medieval era gets quite competitive. Hussein bin Ali seems like the best choice for a more modern Arabic leader.

Since the total number of civs here is only at 36 civs, and we're hoping for each civ game to have more civs anyway (hopefully around 55-60 or so by Civ7), I may do another one with 24 base civs and 60 total civs.