Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by altayrneto, Oct 31, 2018.
I'd like Louis XIV as alternate French leader. I'd also like Carthage and Portugal?
And then in December we hear @FXS_Sarah say, "Pocahontas leads the Powhatan in Sid Meier's Civilization 6. She was..." - be careful, they just might do something like that...
Technically the Maya are in North America so Lady Six Sky would count since Central America, as a region, is on the same continent.
The best choice for a U.S. tribe would be the Iroquois with Jigonhsasee, though she is more legendary in her existence. Sacagawea was a leader for the Sioux in Civ 2, though erroneously was a Shoshone and not a leader. And as for Pocahontas, let's keep Disney references to a minimum and give us her father if the Powhatan debut.
As for Portugal, Joao II or Manuel I would be good, and both are similar as funding explorations and establishing Portugal as an overseas empire. Henry the Navigator never was a king or ruled over Portugal so I wouldn't use him.
Henry the Navigator seems to be the only historical Portuguese person that Americans know of.....
Byzantium, Carthage and Portugal. Another Roman leader.
Ahah ! Powhatans are lead by 0.1 % of Elizabeth Warren
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Easier diplomacy. Other civilizations tend to be more friendly.
Runner of the woods: +1 movement if starting from a forest tile. +5 strength if defending from a forest tile. Replace Musketman.
Weed shop. Replace Commercial Hub. +2 gold if built next to city center. +1 amenity.
1. Inca - South America without them is like Europe without Rome, or Asia without China. Come on Firaxis!
2. Maya - because of Doom Clock And jungle based Civs are just cool
3. Cuba - for the Carribean, Pirates, Tropico, Communist, Juntas vibe. Hurricanes and Bermuda Triangle. We expect a disaster expansion!
4. Nepal (because Tibet is beyond our reach)
5. Maori - because of Haka I really like the idea. It is a good replacement for Polynesians.
6. Ottomans - because I don't want to hear Turkish mourning, rants, and salt all over the web Ok, they deserve it.
7. Venice - Because Venice is very unique and just one of the kind. I like the idea of trade and gold-oriented Civ.
8. Morocco - Because I want to see Petra porn with Kasbahs
Fernão de Magalhães aka Ferdinand Magellan (the circumnavigator)?!
Hawaii (King Kamehameha)
Mali (Mansa Musa)
Māori (Hongi Hika)
Portugal (Joao II)
Sioux (Sitting Bull)
France (Louis XIV)
7-Mali or some similar african civ
8-Unexpected civ, something in the piranha plant level
Portugal, Ottomans, and at least one of Maya or Inca (if not both) are shoe-ins, plus the Polynesian leak. I'd expect at least 2 completely new civs (we got 3 in RnF) too. I'm confident about at least one African civ in the expansion, from which Mali and Ethiopia are the obvious returning candidates. Carthage too, but I think it stands in its own category. They could definitely pull a new African civ too, but I'm much less confident about that. If the Polynesian civ is de-blobbed then that could count as a "new" civ, as would a united Italy. While I'd like a new NA/SA American civ, between the Mapuche and Cree last expansion and the Maya and/or Inca this time around I would understand the desire to focus on another part of the world.
I think if Vietnam gets in it'll be due to fan support more than anything else; I personally think that the Mapuche and Khmer utilize much of the playstyle one would expect from Vietnam, and the return of Siam or a new civ like Burma would offer more playstyle diversity. But on a personal level Vietnam is my most-wanted civ so I'd be far from disappointed if it did get in.
3. Maya or Inca
4. Polynesian (hopefully de-blobbed)
5. Ethiopia or Mali
6. The other of Maya or Inca
7. Ancient Mesopotamian (Babylon/Assyria/etc)
10. Vietnam or other SE Asia
11. The other of Ethiopia or Mali
I Can Hope
15. NA Native American
My suppositions (It does not represent what I want, but what I think will happen):
1- Maori (because of the leak)
2- Incas (at least one South American civ is expected and this is the main name, in addition to which there are still no civ with bonus of adjacencies to mountains)
3 - Ottomans (it has been a pillar since civ3, and this is the main candidate to receive an unique commercial district)
4- Mali (at least one African civ is expected, and this is from an African region not yet covered)
5- Portugal (last main European power missing)
6- Babylon (because an ancient civ is expected)
7- Italy (because of the supposed name of the expansion, and we can always expect civilizations never seen before)
8- Canada (because they will certainly include a modern leader, and this is one never seen before)
9- Æþelflæd (if this leak is real, it may be an alternative leader from England, this could explain we have 2 European civs in this expansion instead of 3)
Anyway, we would need a third expansion to have the Mayans, Ethiopia, Bizantines...
Now, what I want to happen:
9- Ramesses II as the alternative leader of Egypt.
1) Gaul (or Galatians)
3) Iroquois or Sioux
4) Mali (or Ethiopia/Axum)
7) Siam (or a specific Thai Kingdom)
8) Maya or Inca
An unusual English leader, e.g. Cromwell or a PM (not Churchill!).
I think there is a chance for some of these. For traditions' sake I would like Hellenic/Roman era Celts (but not 'The Celts'), The Iroquois, and the Maya or Inca. Otherwise I want more SE Asian and African empires.
p.s. if the DLC packs have ended then I suspect there will be more than eight civs, or more than one new leader.
1. Maori or a Polynesian Civ - this looks to be a dead cert thanks to the leak
2. Italy (I was a big advocate of this during the R&F speculation and I'm not stopping now!)
3. Ottomans (one of the most glaring omissions so far; given the amount of hate their non-appearance in R&F got I think it's a given they'll be in this time)
4. Inca (or Maya; ideally both at some point)
This to me would leave Portugal, Mali, Inca/Maya (and arguably Carthage) as the most glaring omissions, based on appearances across the history of the franchise. But if people think we are getting a third expansion (as seems possible) then there's still hope for these. I would be surprised to see Inca and Maya in the same expansion, and I think people genuinely expecting two African or two South Asian Civs in the same expansion are likely to be disappointed. We really ought to have at least one Ancient-era Civ and I think Babylon are more likely than Carthage if we assume Ottomans are in (I can't really see them adding two major naval-focused Civs in one expansion). Ethiopia nicely tick the religion box as well as the African box.
Canada are a bit of a wildcard, but we already have Australia and Brazil, so another modern Civ would certainly not be unlikely - and if this expansion is indeed going to feature global warming and (it is hoped) some more late-game mechanics, having a modern nation makes a lot of sense. Canada might be new but they are a member of the G8, after all. I still feel weird about Portugal being out while Brazil is in, but if we get Ottomans and Italy Portugal might be best left for a third expansion.
Regarding our mystery lady - I am utterly convinced that the image is based on a well-known representation of Eleanor of Aquitaine, as featured on the cover of the Alison Weir book that I posted an image of a few days ago. I really don't think she's supposed to be Aethelflaed, Margaret of Anjou or anyone else. I'm less convinced that this means that Eleanor is going to be a new leader, as she doesn't really fit for either England or France (and France already have one questionable leader; she could JUST ABOUT pass as an English leader but it would take a stretch. Still beats Jeanne d'Arc I guess!). She could be a dual-Civ leader, but while that would be really, really cool, I'm not really convinced by that either. So I think for the moment the more likely explanation is that the art doesn't pertain to anything that's being added to Civ, OR it's for a new governor/character of some kind in the game that they just happened to model on Eleanor of Aquitaine. But I kind of hope I'm wrong! She's one of my favourite historical figures so I'd be hugely excited to see her as a leader...
The Helvetians! This way they could have another modern nation state without actually putting in Switzerland
More seriously, I guess they could add "the Celts", but they don't really fit the way they seem to be doing civs this round.
Yeah, I think it's certain they won't add 'the Celts'. I think a specific Celtic people are likely though. although I'm a little worried that Scotland is considered the Celt replacement (it's not a Civ game until it has Celts).
I've been thinking about this since I've seen the leaks. Of course I do have my own ideas about what I'd want but I'll try my best to have it fit within what we currently know or have speculated to know.
I'm assuming that this expansion is focused on environments, disasters, and more uses for water tiles. If this is like R&F, then it will have 4 returning civs, 4 brand new civs, and 1 alt leader (Firaxis is welcome to prove me wrong with 6 returning civs or 10 Cubs total!).
Of all the civs that can return for this expansion, the Maya seem like a top-tier choice given the expansion theme. I'd want them to be lead by Yuknoom the Great and/or Wak Chanil Ajaw (I could say that's Lady Six Sky but I'd love to say that's Wak!). Carthage and Portugal make sense as classic naval superpowers that should be coming sooner or later. Hannibal and Joao II would be my leader choices respectively. The Inca are another classic choice. They certainly are quite unique in terms of their environment and are vital for filling up South America! I thought I heard they did some exploring of their part of the ocean but I don't recall if they had a navy or not? Huayna Capac would be my leader choice.
Other Returning Options:
Byzantine - Dromons anyone?
Turks/Ottomans - Their fleet helped with many conquests, including Constantinople.
Morocco - Another classic naval superpower.
Denmark - Margaret I ordered the building of a navy to defend the Kalmar Union.
Brand New Civs:
We know that the Maori are quite a strong possibility. I'd hope that Hongi Hika leads them (if that leader is Hongi Hika, hopefully Firaxis will add the tattoos, make him a bit thinner, etc.). Assuming it is the Maori, they weren't the most naval focused Polynesian group so there's a (admittedly far-fetched) chance that they could add a second Polynesian group in this expansion! I'd want it to be either the Tonga, Samoa, or Hawaii. Of all the NA groups that could be added, I'm hoping that the Tlingit would be picked for this expansion. They're a great pick from the PNW and will be a pleasant surprise to anyone who's unaware of a NA group with a navy focus (hmm, 2 Polynesians, the Inca, Tlingit, this is asking for a Pacific map). Shakes I and Katlian would be good leader choices. With all those choices, it occurred to me that the Indian Ocean could use some love. Chola would be cool to neatly balkanize India but they do share some cities from India's list. Swahili would be a great pick too but I'd want just a bit more info on their greatest leaders. With that in mind, I'd pick either Zanzibar or Oman under Barghash bin Said and Sultan bin Saif respectively.
Other Brand New Options:
Navajo - Unique desert farming
Kanem-Bornu - With the Navajo, it's as close to a desert civ as you can hope for.
Yakutia - The closest we could get to a tundra civ.
I'm still not sure what to think of the leader art of the medieval queen. It could be fake since it's quite different from other leader concept art, it could be for an actual leader like Eleanor ot Athelflead, or maybe it's for a new governor, etc. Since we're still uncertain, I'll mention my own choice with Kangxi for China. Early in his reign some of the big issues were flood control of the Yellow River and repairing the Grand Canal.
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