[RD] Which 'Great Works' are low-hanging fruit?

The whole thing? No, the tome is a slog to get through, but at the bare minimum I would expect an educated Christian to have read Genesis, Exodus, parts of Joshua, Samuel, and Kings; Job, parts of Psalms, Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes; the Song of Songs; all of: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; Paul's letters, particularly Romans, 1st and 2nd Corinthians, and Revelation; in addition to probably Augustine's Confessions and parts of The City of God. Maybe other works like parts of Thomas Aquinas's corpus, maybe parts of Erasmus's Enchiridion of the Christian Soldier, some of Luther's/Calvin's/Melanchthon's core works if they're Protestant.

MW: don't bother with the whole of Dante's trilogy. If we're just focusing on maximizing cultural/tropic consumption, you really only need to read Inferno. Purgatorio and Paradiso are nice, but they aren't really widely-referenced unless you're running in really academic circles of Medieval Lit specialists.

More recommendations: Candide, seriously. It's short, it's a super quick read, and Voltaire is one of the 5 or 6 most influential western writers of the modern era. Again I'll repeat my recommendation of Augustine's Confessions. The core Medieval fiction texts: The Song of Roland, The Canterbury Tales, Das Niebelunglied (especially if you're into Tolkien - this is a good one), Tristan and Isolde, and Don Quixote (a tome, but one worth reading, imo). I will once again reiterate that reading the core texts of Dickens's, Austen's, and Shakespeare's respective corpora are going to give you the most bang-for-your-buck in the English speaking world.

100 Years of Solitude is also a really good one to read. And again, I'll reiterate: Goethe's Faust and Mann's Der Zauberberg (The Magic Mountain). If we're purely going with culture signalling for academic crowds, Madame Bovary, or much of anything by Flaubert would be worth checking out. Academics in the Humanities disciplines friggen adore Flaubert, and rightly so. And again, if we're going purely for demonstrating erudition among academics, I don't really think that's at all possible without at least superficially familiarizing yourself with the works of Foucault. At the very least, Discipline and Punish is a must-read.

In the end, though, if this is purely a matter of maximizing cultural erudition in the least amount of time, I'd say consuming core cinematic and operatic texts would be the most efficient way of doing so. You can watch 10 great French New Wave, Silent, or Japanese/Italian/Indian films in the time it takes to you read one of these books people are recommending, and you'll appear just as sophisticated in doing so.
What about an educated atheist? Admittedly the only reason I started reading the bible was so I could understand the references in the rock operas I worked on (Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat and Jesus Christ Superstar), but then I started reading a series of novels by Peter Danielson that combined a fictitious dynasty of armorers who bore "the mark of Cain" - a birthmark shaped like a lion's paw (hence the name of the series - Children of the Lion) with Old Testament characters ranging from Abram and Sarai to King David. At some point in the series the author hypothesized that the plagues Moses claimed God sent to Egypt were really the result of the effects of a powerful volcanic eruption in the Mediterranean... I'm sure I don't need to specify which one. Yes, the author played fast and loose with chronology, but it was an interesting enough series of novels that made me decide to do further research and also read more of the Old Testament than just Genesis.

I just re read the first 20 pages of genesis the other day and I feel like I read something no one read before. Christians need to take their bible more literally imo
So how many chapters and verses does that equate to?
 
The whole thing? No, the tome is a slog to get through, but at the bare minimum I would expect an educated Christian to have read Genesis, Exodus, parts of Joshua, Samuel, and Kings; Job, parts of Psalms, Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes; the Song of Songs; all of: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; Paul's letters, particularly Romans, 1st and 2nd Corinthians, and Revelation; in addition to probably Augustine's Confessions and parts of The City of God. Maybe other works like parts of Thomas Aquinas's corpus, maybe parts of Erasmus's Enchiridion of the Christian Soldier, some of Luther's/Calvin's/Melanchthon's core works if they're Protestant.

Yeah, well, to be an educated Jew you have to read the Talmud. Only takes a few years. :smug:
 
What about an educated atheist? Admittedly the only reason I started reading the bible was so I could understand the references in the rock operas I worked on (Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat and Jesus Christ Superstar), but then I started reading a series of novels by Peter Danielson that combined a fictitious dynasty of armorers who bore "the mark of Cain" - a birthmark shaped like a lion's paw (hence the name of the series - Children of the Lion) with Old Testament characters ranging from Abram and Sarai to King David. At some point in the series the author hypothesized that the plagues Moses claimed God sent to Egypt were really the result of the effects of a powerful volcanic eruption in the Mediterranean... I'm sure I don't need to specify which one. Yes, the author played fast and loose with chronology, but it was an interesting enough series of novels that made me decide to do further research and also read more of the Old Testament than just Genesis.

Those stories are all covered in the books I referenced.

The Old Testament is there to provide context for Jesus's arrival; it proves why Jesus is the Messiah as promised by God. The first chapter of Matthew, and the first chapter of Luke are rendered extraneous unless you have first familiarized yourself with the Old Testament. With the context of the Old Testament, those two chapters become the most essential for Christianity's mythological and theological underpinnings. The New Testament and the works of the later theologians (Paul, Tertullian, Augustine, Origen, Jerome, etc.) are the real meat of Christianity as a coherent religion.
 
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The New Testament and the works of the later theologians (Paul, Tertullian, Augustine, Origen, Jerome, etc.) are the real meat of Christianity as a coherent religion.
you may be underestimating the extent to which American Christians are unaware of their own denomination's doctrine

like, parish priests and CCC teach heresy on the regular by accident, and the only coherent exposure most Prots get to the Church Fathers is in a confirmation-style class during middle school and they'd be lucky to retain sola gratia, sola scriptura, sola fide from it

honestly, the relationship of a pastor or minister to real theology is like the relationship of a high school teacher to the current state of their field; even if they know it reasonably well, they're bound by the practical limitations of teaching it to people
 
you may be underestimating the extent to which American Christians are unaware of their own denomination's doctrine

like, parish priests and CCC teach heresy on the regular by accident, and the only coherent exposure most Prots get to the Church Fathers is in a confirmation-style class during middle school and they'd be lucky to retain sola gratia, sola scriptura, sola fide from it

honestly, the relationship of a pastor or minister to real theology is like the relationship of a high school teacher to the current state of their field; even if they know it reasonably well, they're bound by the practical limitations of teaching it to people
What are you doing no caps no periods as well now?
 
"Sent from my iPhone XX."

I hate making swipe type behave properly.
 
lobsters gotta play lobster games
 
Yeah, I don't punctuate anything or capitalize anything properly in text messages anymore unless it's a rare occasion where I'm actually sending something to my parents.
 
Different meanings for different mediums.
 
What are you doing no caps no periods as well now?
"now" he says

as if half my posts didn't look like this years ago, back when the IRC channels were still alive
 
For me it depends whether I have time (ie if texting while doing something else I use as few keystrokes as possible), but there's also this:
https://newrepublic.com/article/115726/period-our-simplest-punctuation-mark-has-become-sign-anger
Some of that is just nuts.

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choosing to add a period also adds meaning because the reader(s) need to figure out why you did it.
I add a period to the end of a sentence because it's the end of a sentence. Assuming, of course, that it's a declarative sentence. If it's interrogative, that is what the question mark is for. This is really simple stuff that I was taught when I was 6.
 
I think one should speak for one's self when it comes to who thier allies are.
Your current Glorious Leader says David Duke is not his ally.
And again, I'll reiterate: Goethe's Faust and Mann's Der Zauberberg (The Magic Mountain).
For the latter you need to read whatever language it is translated to plus Italian and French.
I just re read the first 20 pages of genesis the other day and I feel like I read something no one read before. Christians need to take their bible more literally imo

you may be underestimating the extent to which American Christians are unaware of their own denomination's doctrine
^This.
 
Your current Glorious Leader says David Duke is not his ally.

Yes yes, there are people on this earth whose word means nothing. Though, why you would bother speaking with somebody who you have determined fits that criterea, I don't know.
 
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