Which Leader/civ is your Archnemesis?

[Optical]

Zara Yaqob, Sitting Bull, Tokugawa. (Oh, and Stalin.)

Strangely, have few or no problems with Joao or Izzy or Ragnar or Gandhi or Asoka, or Churchill, or Nappy. And not very many with Cathy, or Sury. Only Monty (EDIT: And Shaka of course) gets a little annoying out of the others in this thread so far.

 

[Mylene]

I dislike the ones that feel like a fill-in, with a boring personality.

Asoka (India = Gandhi), who needs him? Noone here would probably really know Asoka if not for Civ
Surey...the city names ughh. Justitian who looks like a spoiled little kid -.-
Kublai Kahn, same reason as with Asoka and Genghis. Or Augustus Caesar.
WvO, sneaky rat...oops, pardon

I like leaders like Shaka, Ragnar or Hannibal..strong men...erm...i mean they have charisma!
Or maybe Vikings and Zulu are just interesting, when i think about history
Also Sitting Bull, great idea to put Indians in and they made him a nice portrait.

Most ladies are likeable, Hatshi is sweet.
Lizzy and Isa look good with her crowns, but Victoria...go away!

I seem to meet Surey and Joao most often, or maybe it just feels like it cuz they bore me to tears

 

[Archon_Wing]

I hate leaders that have no chance of winning because they are idiots, but somehow are there to annoy you.

Sitting Bull-- Obnoxious brick wall; at least everyone else hates him

Toku-- I despise him for his unwillingness to open borders. But what's worse is that you can't trade anything to him early either. Closed borders mean less religions get in. It gets better at currency when you can finally sell something, but he's just annoying. The only way to build up relations is joining him in war, which is a crapshoot since his backwardness makes him a crappy ally anyways.

Once I tried to be nice to him. He ended up peacevassaling It went well til he broke off on the turn before I win a conquest victory, wasting 5 minutes of my life. Screw him.

Suravyman-- Complete jerk, likes to spam crappy cities everywhere, and is pretty violent.

Alexander the Great-- just a complete moron and savage. He's a good target for early extermination.

Joao-- Ugh, go away. Stop asking for crap.

Wilem van Orange-- he always seems to be a jerk. Since he likes free religion, he will aim for lib earlier. In most cases, he's a huge threat, but fortunately doesn't build that many units.

 

[astrodog]

Huyana (Incan dude) - he declared war on me last night, big deal I though, he was on a distant continent. Thought I'd better build a couple of frigates and go hassle his shipping. Before my first frigate was built, 4 frigates of his, escorting a couple of galleons each appeared. He dumped a SoD of cannons and knights (about 10 of each) on the doorstep of my only coastal city...I build many more units now....

 

[shpeka]

I have been lucky with the warmongers of late, so my current list of annoying SoBs includes:

1. WvO - smug hypocrite. Tech-whoring all my hard bulbed techs while getting monopoly on some of his own scientific breaktroughs (financial doesn't do him no harm in this respect ). Creative makes him that more annoying, and his favorite civic (Free Religion) makes him an even better techer while dropping him from the Friendly list (if we were on the same religious team). He seems to get more wonders than the XML values would suggest - probably due to his excellent tech rate.

2. Charlemagne and Joao. I seem to get them all too often in my latest games. I have always thought that HRE is a weak civ but they just seem to often get huge, have descent tech rate AND a respectable military. And Vassalage favorite civic? Come on. . Joao's city spam makes him huge very often too, but at least he is easy to please in case you meet him early enough.
I was so happy to see Joao and Charlie spawn next to each other in my last game. And in different religions.

Leaders I like? Well, that would be Catherine of course. I swear - the thing in my pocket is the treaty I would like to put forth.

 

[ManiaMuse]

Toku-- I despise him for his unwillingness to open borders. But what's worse is that you can't trade anything to him early either. Closed borders mean less religions get in. It gets better at currency when you can finally sell something, but he's just annoying. The only way to build up relations is joining him in war, which is a crapshoot since his backwardness makes him a crappy ally anyways.

Once I tried to be nice to him. He ended up peacevassaling It went well til he broke off on the turn before I win a conquest victory, wasting 5 minutes of my life. Screw him.

You can also gift him a crappy tundra/desert city.

 

[babar]

My worst in general: Alexander. I rate Alexander above all other psychos in terms of being a jerk. He always attacks me, even at pleased, often from the other side of the continent. Luckily it's usually just a couple of archers, but still, the intent is there...

 

[Stallogarro]

Gilgamesh of Sumeria. He hates me and I hate him. Not the biggest warmonger but usually techs good so you have to fight up to date units.
Otherwise I hate Montezuma, he will always declare on me. It does not matter how nice I am to him or what I do he always decide to beat me up anyway

Personally, Gilgamesh is the leader I almost never end up beating; In that way he is my ultimate Nemesis. I have this feeling his intimidating posturing psyches me out a bit, but, well... There was this game where I was Isabella (I prefer to randomize civs) and shared a continent with Sumeria. Now maybe I could have been a bit more agressive, but I didn't start a war with him at all until Modern age. At this point all other continents were taken, and a was meant a looong seaward voyage, and I just don't like attacking another players home continent until I am d**n sure I can win without backup ( I suck at diplomacy so I rarely get AIs to ally or go to war with me). And when I started a was it was because he had mech inf puttering around before I had industrialism. Well, I was cheesed. (Like "creamed", only a lot longer and stinkier)

It isn't so much his aggressiveness, or his tech levels... But Gilgamesh is DIFFICULT to beat if he has the slightest kind of tech superiority in my experience. Of course, I rarely play like a warmonger in BTS, so I often get to build up a defensive army. That means people like Monty and Ragnar often fall behind militarily, while all the techy peaceniks (Zara especially, he is my #2 hate object after Gil) end up with potentially crushing advantages. With Zara I remember attacking (as Mayas) after a good half of the map was mine, landing next to one of the cities as I had too few marines. 16+ cruise missiles later, and that force lost all hope of capturing the Hardy boys, let alone the city. leaders like Gandhi, Mansa Musa and Zara Yakub? Attack them to late and *INSTANT NERD RAGE* ensues.

 

[Ataxerxes]

Gilgamesh is difficult, no doubt. He's hard to rush with the Protective Trait and he achieves a balance between expanding and building military and infrastructure. His UU is better in human hands but not terrible for the AI. His UB is pretty good and Creative is a good AI trait. I don't fear him as much as Shaka or just hate like SB, but he's a tough AI.

 

[astrodog]

.... And when I started a was it was because he had mech inf puttering around before I had industrialism. Well, I was cheesed. (Like "creamed", only a lot longer and stinkier).....

I would have turned my fleet around!

 

[lasombra1984]

I hate leaders that have no chance of winning because they are idiots, but somehow are there to annoy you.

Sitting Bull-- Obnoxious brick wall; at least everyone else hates him

Toku-- I despise him for his unwillingness to open borders. But what's worse is that you can't trade anything to him early either. Closed borders mean less religions get in. It gets better at currency when you can finally sell something, but he's just annoying. The only way to build up relations is joining him in war, which is a crapshoot since his backwardness makes him a crappy ally anyways.

Once I tried to be nice to him. He ended up peacevassaling It went well til he broke off on the turn before I win a conquest victory, wasting 5 minutes of my life. Screw him.

Suravyman-- Complete jerk, likes to spam crappy cities everywhere, and is pretty violent.

Alexander the Great-- just a complete moron and savage. He's a good target for early extermination.

Joao-- Ugh, go away. Stop asking for crap.

Wilem van Orange-- he always seems to be a jerk. Since he likes free religion, he will aim for lib earlier. In most cases, he's a huge threat, but fortunately doesn't build that many units.

Joao is not idiot. He REXes like mad, while techs good, has quite strong military and good infrastucture. He usually make a lot of peacevassals because of his size)
Though as most mid-game leaders (Isabella, Justinian) he has to survive early game.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Oh yea, the "idiot" rant was really only the first two. The rest bothered me for some other reason, mostly by being jerks.

You can also gift him a crappy tundra/desert city.

Right, that's also perfect for some AP religion trolling too. "Infect" him with the AP religion by spreading the religion to a crappy city against his borders, which can open up some funny things.

 

[Ataxerxes]

Right, that's also perfect for some AP religion trolling too. "Infect" him with the AP religion by spreading the religion to a crappy city against his borders, which can open up some funny things.

That can be an interesting decision. If you infect him with the AP religion it's part of an AP victory and can help keep him in line. The only downside is, you can't call a holy war on him.

 

[Archon_Wing]

That can be an interesting decision. If you infect him with the AP religion it's part of an AP victory and can help keep him in line. The only downside is, you can't call a holy war on him.

There's the advantage that if someone of the AP faith Dows him, and you don't want him to get vassalized, you can frequently use the AP to end the war. Then go vassalize him yourself, lol.

And in any case, this little thing works even if they run theorcracy. If you do end up vassalizing him, you can get him to change religions regardless of how little there is in their empire.

This of course assumes that you have some sway over the AP of course. But AI tend to vote to stop wars regardless of what they have to gain from it.

Anyhow, I think the last straw is that Toku can still declare at pleased which is why I usually never put in the effort. Well, I guess he gives me great generals fairly quick. We get along better if we're on different continents, usually because I have currency and paper, meaning I can sell maps and other goods for just gold... assuming he hasn't been conquered yet.

 

[Stallogarro]

I would have turned my fleet around!

Yeah, well it was even worse, as we shared a land border? Not my highest moment of strategic decicions... In fact definetly an "Eastern Front" type scenario... I was glad just to hand over his cities and all my gold, really!

 

[Archon_Wing]

In other news, I finally had a friendly Tokugawa. And as expected he was completely worthless and wasn't even good for a defense pact as he went to war with someone else random.