Which New Civs should be in CIV V

[RobinHat]

Ceremonial Helmets quite often had helmets on them (as has been discovered by excavatig graves). It's helmets used in battle that have never had horns.

Nope. Archaelogogists have never found a single Viking helmet with horns, not even ceremonial hemlmets. It is a myth.

 

[KentuckyJared20]

I think that in some way, shape, or form, that Israel should be in the game. It may just be my bias, but I sincerely think that they have indeed had an impact on the world. Just a thought, but I think that they would be a nice civ to add with David or Solomon as their leader. As for what civs should be in the game, they are:

Americas-
U.S.A.
Iroquois
Sioux
Azetcs
Mayans
Incas

Africa-
Zulu
Ethopia
Mali
Egypt
Carthage

Europe-
England/Great Britain
Sweden
Netherlands
Poland
France
Germany
Rome
Greece
Russia
Spain
Portugal

Asia/Middle East-
China
Japan
India
Israel
Arabia
Persia
Mesopotamia
Vietnam
Ottomans

Oceania-
Java
Indonesia
Samoans
Australia

 

[Yared]

China
Japan
India
Israel
Arabia
I'm forgetting some here

Persia

 

[RobinHat]

I think that in some way, shape, or form, that Israel should be in the game. It may just be my bias, but I sincerely think that they have indeed had an impact on the world. Just a thought, but I think that they would be a nice civ to add with David or Solomon as their leader. As for what civs should be in the game, they are:

Americas-
U.S.A.
Iroquois
Sioux
Azetcs
Mayans
Incas

Africa-
Zulu
Ethopia
Mali
Egypt
Carthage

Europe-
England/Great Britain
Sweden
Netherlands
Poland
France
Germany
Rome
Greece
Russia
Spain
Portugal

Asia/Middle East-
China
Japan
India
Israel
Arabia
Persia
Mesopotamia
Vietnam
Ottomans

Oceania-
Java
Indonesia
Samoans
Australia

Denmark!

 

[KentuckyJared20]

Persia

Added it, when I was making that list the civs that were at the front of my mind where the ones that still exist.

 

[techathon]

my poll site has a few polls of new civs now

 

[RobinHat]

You have Danish and Denmark in the poll seperately. They are the same thing.

 

[Silv Something]

I commented on that!

 

[My Pet Hamster]

Ireland. Most powerful country in the world, which should be reflected in its unique unit: Guinness Drinking Irishman​

 

[pesgores]

A Civ creator.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

The problem with your list, Kentucky Jared, is that there are 11 European civs while the entire continent of South America gets only one. For South America, I would have Norte Chico, Brazil, Moche, Nazca, and Tupi (or Tupi-Guarani) as some possible options. Continually, the Sioux should not be a civ (as they were not a civ) and the Iroquois are a stretch for being a civ. The only pre-Columbian societies in the place where America is today I would call civs are Cahokia and the Mississippians and the Pueblo peoples (Anasazi, Mogollon, Hohokam). Also, why both Java and Indonesia? Continually, why no Korea, Mongols, or Kampuchea? East Asia is very underrepresented. Finally, Africa is rather underrepresented. Nubia, Kongo, the Shona, Swahili, Ghana, and Songhai, are some possible options.

 

[aronnax]

Asia:
Majapahit Empire
Collective (C-) India
C-China
C-Korea
Mongol Empire
Khmer Empire
C-Persia
C-Arabian Empire
Ottoman Empire


Europe:
Great Britain/England
France
Spain
C-Germany
C-Russia
Poland
C-Greece
Roman Empire
Scandinavia
C-Hungary

Africa:
C-Egypt
C-Mali
C-Ethiopia
Zulu
Swahili
C-Morocco
C-Congo
Benin Kingdom

Americas:
Iroquois Confederacy
Aztec
Mayan
America
Incan Empire
Powhatan Confederacy
C-Brazil

Something like that.

 

[RobinHat]

Asia:
Majapahit Empire
Collective (C-) India
C-China
C-Korea
Mongol Empire
Khmer Empire
C-Persia
C-Arabian Empire
Ottoman Empire


Europe:
Great Britain/England
France
Spain
C-Germany
C-Russia
Poland
C-Greece
Roman Empire
Scandinavia
C-Hungary

Africa:
C-Egypt
C-Mali
C-Ethiopia
Zulu
Swahili
C-Morocco
C-Congo
Benin Kingdom

Americas:
Iroquois Confederacy
Aztec
Mayan
America
Incan Empire
Powhatan Confederacy
C-Brazil

Something like that.

Stop with 'Scandinavia' already!

 

[Camikaze]

The problem with your list, Kentucky Jared, is that there are 11 European civs while the entire continent of South America gets only one.

But wouldn't you say that that is a fair representation of historical importance in western society (which the game is being designed for)? I mean, sure, you need geographical equity, and I would say that one for S.Am is a little light, but I think that diminishing the number of European civs is not a good move, seeing as they were the foundation for western society and western history, which is really what the game is attempted to simulate.

 

[KentuckyJared20]

The problem with your list, Kentucky Jared, is that there are 11 European civs while the entire continent of South America gets only one. Continually, why no Korea, Mongols, or Kampuchea? East Asia is very underrepresented. Finally, Africa is rather underrepresented. Nubia, Kongo, the Shona, Swahili, Ghana, and Songhai, are some possible options.

Ok just want to say before I get to my points, in my list I put civs that in my opinion casual gamers (I'm one in many ways) would know, so sorry if my list has some balance issues though I do agree that just one civ for South America is wrong. Also, I seem to have made some my mistakes in that list b/c I thought I put Brazil, and I also thought that I had put in the Mongols. I'm going to include my new list in this post, and by Iroquois I meant the Iroquois Nation so sorry if there was any confusion. As for Africa, I didn't give that much thought because most of my history knowledge (thanks to the American school curriculum) is dreadfully lacking of African history. I must say that I do in fact knew about the Swahili, but they just slipped from my mind.

Americas-
U.S.A
Iroquois Nation
Aztecs
Mayans
Brazil
Incas

Africa-
Carthage
Zulu
Ethiopia
Egypt
Mali
Swahili

Europe-
England/Great Britain
Sweden
Netherlands
Poland
France
Germany
Rome
Greece
Russia
Spain
Portugal
Denmark

Asia/Middle East-
China
Japan
India
Israel
Arabia
Persia
Mesopotamia
Vietnam
Ottomans
Mongols

Oceanic-
Java
Samoans
Australia

That comes around to about 35 civs, and with improvements from Civ IV to Civ V I think they would suffice for a vanilla game. If I remember right then Civ 4 BtS has 0 civs from South America, while my list has 2, so I doubled that count.

 

[EMT]

Okay, here's my nice long list:

Americas:
USA
Aztec
Inca
Native America(SUE ME, are you truly going to try and represent several minor tribes independently?)
Maya
Tupi

Africa:
Egypt
Carthage
Nubia
Ethiopia
Mali(anyone that say Ghana/Songhai, the empires are by the same ethnic group)
Zulu

Europe:
England
France
Spain
Portugal
Netherlands
Denmark
Sweden
Austria/Austria-Hungary/Hungary
Greece
Turks/Ottomans
Russia
Rome
Poland
Germany
Bulgaria/Serbia/Italy

Asia:
Arabs
Persia
Babylon
Sumer
Assyria
Hittites
Mughal/India/Chola/Maurya(Collective term for this might be Hindustani Empire so that leaders from all Sub-Continental entities can be represented? Speaking of ancient India more than anything)
Khmer
Mongols
Polynesia
Japan
China
Siam
Java
Australian Aborigines(collective term, for geography's sake, if they can put in native america, they can sure put in an aborigine empire)

That's what I'd put in personally, maybe add Maghreb/Cordoba/etc. as well

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Native Americans were far more diverse and far more advanced than the Aborigines. They are not at all comparable. Like I said, they should have the Mississippians and the Pueblo. It adds just one more civ and takes away some element of historical inaccuracy.

 

[EMT]

Native Americans were far more diverse and far more advanced than the Aborigines. They are not at all comparable. Like I said, they should have the Mississippians and the Pueblo. It adds just one more civ and takes away some element of historical inaccuracy.

Actually, just as the Native Americans(and not counting any listed above) where separated into small tribes, so was Aboriginal Australia. If we judge Native America upon the moment of European contact just as we judge the Aztecs and Incas, for fairness's sake in comparison, then they haven't trained themselves to use muskets yet. Far from it. They may be very skilled warriors with good oral tradition to pass down history, but they're still not at the point where Native American tribes where as scary as the French(to America). The Native Americans are there to represent the enormous gap in geography more than anything, and debating that they are advanced enough to be in Civ is like trying to debate what is the coolest movie or superhero(No one can ever win) Equally, the Aborigines where backwards for almost all their history, yet geographically, it's them or modern day Australia, and I think for history's sake, the Aborigines are more deserving, not because Australia isn't great, but because they've retained that land for hundreds of years and to ignore them is an insult to geographical history.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

The Aborigines weren't even close to civilization. They weren't even close to farming! By contrast, most Native Americans were sedentary farmers, with large areas like the Mississippian area and the Pueblo cultures having stratification, cities, and specialization. Grouping these groups with hunter-gatherers like the Inuit and Nez Perce is ridiculous.

 

[Hsinchu]

My Vote is for Hammurabi

Additionally, make a scenario that starts between the Tigris and Euphrates. Civ V could be the first Civilization with a branching story mode much in the fashion of Rhye's and Fall. And because these could be prefabbed developer maps, for once Civilization can have a built-in tutorial that doesn't seem forced or have Sid's face on it. (I'm thinking, a teaching advisor).

If we think about Civilizations of History from a historical perspective we won't miss any important leaders. Imagine C-5 packed with over 200 prefab scenarios covering the breadth of history. For once Civ could also have unlockables, secret scenarios, and all the other gimicky fun things that other games get. And civ could finally be mass marketed as opposed to targeted toward us... Those I am not ashamed to call fetishistic enthusiasts.