While We Wait: Part 3

[Symphony D.]

Symph: I never said anything about ruleset, unless you mean how countries will have their vital statistics listed.

And this is not what I mean by stats. I was thinking it would look like a better World Factbook.

Ah. So, the equivalent of a small abridged set of encyclopedias which is still mostly vague of only the barest use versus what somebody could easily find online, as LittleBoots intones. Plus the fact that most of the data recorded in something like the World Factbook doesn't exist for most countries going back only about, oh, 250 years or more ago.

That also doesn't solve the frequency at which data is collected. Or the fact that nobody would do it. Hell, I wouldn't do it, and I am the champion of ideas nobody else likes doing around here.

 

[jeps]

there is no way that could work. sure, getting data for all ± a few, based on your definition of a country, 193-201 countries in the world would be relatively easy, though time consuming, what about data for UK in 1800? With an empire the sun never sets on, how exactly would you conduct censuses on literacy or living standards?

What about short lived nations, that lasted for a year or two only? they would be in some NESes, but I doubt info is readily available. Finally, army sizes in ancient times.......

 

[North King]

Army sizes in ancient times are actually pretty easy to collect data on, the question is if it's accurate.

I have a nice file on my computer which I nicked off the net, giving approximate GDP and Population for areas of the world from the birth of Christ until about now. I'll see if I can find the source site later today; if I can't, I'll just post it. There are a couple of mistakes, naturally, but it's better than nothing.

 

[North King]

I have a nice file on my computer which I nicked off the net, giving approximate GDP and Population for areas of the world from the birth of Christ until about now. I'll see if I can find the source site later today; if I can't, I'll just post it. There are a couple of mistakes, naturally, but it's better than nothing.

This appears to be it (excel file).

 

[Birdjaguar]

Thanks NK!

 

[carmen510]

North King: Whoa. Nice job.

One question, why are there like 7,000 rows while there are only 200 or so being used?

 

[das]

Army sizes in ancient times are actually pretty easy to collect data on, the question is if it's accurate.

I have a nice file on my computer which I nicked off the net, giving approximate GDP and Population for areas of the world from the birth of Christ until about now. I'll see if I can find the source site later today; if I can't, I'll just post it.

Nice. Although before the birth of Christ would've been even nicer.

 

[carmen510]

By the way, I'm assuming its in 2008 dollars, right North King?

 

[das]

@das- Its been a while, but I was thinking about this recently, and I was wondering - where did all those Satanim come from? What did happen in Jerusalem? And how did they single handedly slaughter 8000 rebelling Byzantine troops? That was one of my favorite moments of NESing history - Holokauston Jerusalem.

The Satanim were basically a combination of the Hashshashin and the Inquisition in the service of the High Priest. Before those Greeks came along, they just ran around minding their own business, killing heretics, killing Egyptian generals and nobles and, uh, come to think of it all they ever did was kill all kinds of people. When the Greeks invaded, they took to killing Greeks as well.

That said, what happened in Jerusalem - from what I do remember of it - was somewhat different. Although there were Satanim harassing the Byzantine army, there was one "Satan" in particular that managed to both kill your general and incite a general uprising (the poor of Jerusalem make for one great angry mob if properly motivated, and it was probably just a matter of being in the right place at the right time). This is where my memories get rather blurry, though he probably died during or soon after the uprising; I do remember that you still had to pull out eventually.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

By the way, I'm assuming its in 2008 dollars, right North King?

I believe it's 1990 dollars. It says inside the document.

 

[Head Serf]

Hey, I've written up the list of nations with their economies for my new NES to begin between 1918 and 1919. How does it look? Am I missing anything?

Spoiler :

North America

Canada
Economy (Base/Trade) : (3/2) = 5 Total
Military :
Color : Purple

United States of America
Economy (Base/Trade) : (10/6) = 16 Total
Military :
Color : Light Blue

Mexico
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/1) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Green

Guatemala
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Purple

Nicaragua
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Teal

El Salvador
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Pink

Honduras
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Brown

Costa Rica
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Orange

Panama
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Bright Green

Dominican Republic
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Red

Cuba
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/1) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Blue

Haiti
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Purple

South America

Argentina
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/1) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Light Blue

Bolivia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Brown

Brazil
Economy (Base/Trade) : (3/1) = 4 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Yellow

Chile
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/1) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Pink

Colombia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/1) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Red

Ecuador
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/1) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Purple

Paraguay
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Purple

Peru
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/1) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Light Purple

Uruguay
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Orange

Venezuela
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/1) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Green

Europe

United Kingdom
Economy (Base/Trade) : (5/7) = 12 Total
Military :
Color : Orange

France
Economy (Base/Trade) : (4/6) = 10 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Blue

Spain
Economy (Base/Trade) : (3/3) = 6 Total
Military :
Color : Yellow

Portugal
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/4) = 6 Total
Military :
Color : Light Green

Belgium
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/2) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Purple

Netherlands
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/3) = 4 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Orange

Norway
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/1) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Tan

Sweden
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/1) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Light Blue

Finland
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/0) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Purple

Switzerland
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/0) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Red

Germany
Economy (Base/Trade) : (9/1) = 10 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Gray

Italy
Economy (Base/Trade) : (3/4) = 7 Total
Military :
Color : Green

Austria-Hungary
Economy (Base/Trade) : (6/1) = 7 Total
Military :
Color : Light Gray

Denmark
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/1) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Pale Green

Serbia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Purple

Montenegro
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Pink

Albania
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Yellow

Greece
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/1) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Light Green

Bulgaria
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/0) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Light Green

Rumania
Economy (Base/Trade) : (3/1) = 4 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Orange

Bolshevik Russia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (8/0) = 8 Total
Military :
Color : Red

White Movement Russia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (4/0) = 4 Total
Military :
Color : Light Blue

Africa

Liberia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Blue

Ethiopia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/0) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Black

Union of South Africa
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/1) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Light Blue

Asia

Ottoman Turkey
Economy (Base/Trade) : (4/1) = 5 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Yellow

Arabia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Pink

Persia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/0) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Teal

Afghanistan
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Green

Nepal
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Pink

Bhutan
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/0) = 1 Total
Military :
Color : Light Purple

Siam
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/1) = 3 Total
Military :
Color : Blue

China
Economy (Base/Trade) : (5/2) = 7 Total
Military :
Color : Pink

Japan
Economy (Base/Trade) : (6/2) = 8 Total
Military :
Color : Dark Red

Australia
Economy (Base/Trade) : (2/2) = 4 Total
Military :
Color : Light Green

New Zealand
Economy (Base/Trade) : (1/1) = 2 Total
Military :
Color : Light Purple

 

[Abaddon]

Potentially stupid.. but didnt the US become so economcally powerful later?

 

[das]

It already was pretty strong back then. Though with... problems.

 

[LightFang]

This appears to be it (excel file).

I can't seem to figure out how it works.

Then again, I'm not really sure how to use Excel. But I can't seem to locate these three tables.

 

[North King]

Tabs on the bottom of the window?

 

[LightFang]

Tabs on the bottom of the window?

Oh, I'm an idiot.

Thanks!

 

[carmen510]

Any other supporters/voices of disagreement of my idea?

Because regardless, I"ll still be crazy enough to do it, if only the modern part due to my NES.

(GDP would be in dollars of that year)

 

[LittleBoots]

This is where my memories get rather blurry, though he probably died during or soon after the uprising; I do remember that you still had to pull out eventually.

Yeah, they (one of my favorite quotes from an update): "ran fleeing from the wrath of the One True God."

 

[sp1023]

Charles Li is now on the road upwards. sp1023 has taken his place.

I put up the Taraskids, and will put more info on them when I have time.

sp1013? I haven't seen him around. Maybe that makes me lucky? Since I'm not acquainted with him.

Oh, and also, I don't think I'll play. It's too RPG-style. Sorry.

I presume Charles Li is a bad Neser, which I thereby take as an insult. However, I think I am improving, even though Carmen begs to differ. ANd light fang, I am now acquainted with you.

 

[Abaddon]

You managed to turn in some good orders in my NES.. you just need to cut back the unimportant posts. Go frolic in OT to release those urges