While We Wait: Part 4

[Dachs]

That's what happens if the mods don't like you.

That's what happens if you do something half-assed or stupid.

Spain was definately in a weaker position than France at the start, but its fall took a lot of work .

Yeah. Actually, in that NES there never really was a rival to France in Europe even from the start. In retrospect, the setting wasn't all that fantastic.

And you were much unluckier in your choice of enemy than I was. (Though obviously it ended up working out better for you.)

 

[Chandrasekhar]

OMFG! I just beat muta-ling with hydra-lurk! Sorry, but this is incredibly exciting to me! Granted, he went 9 overpool and my 12 hatch/expo managed to hold out, but the fact that he made me stop mining and attack his creep/sunken right before I got my pool kind of offset that. Must go watch replay...

Edit: It was more of a macro win actually: he went 9pool speedlings into 1lair fast muta, while I went 3 hatch. He was still in the game though, until he decided to suicide his muta army against my hydra army (he lost ~18 mutas; if he hadn't done that, I would've had to move out cautiously, and he'd quickly get a macro advantage (he was already caught up to my 3hatch). If I moved out, I would've had to beat whatever he had (turned out to only be 3 sunk and a few ling) with only 8lurk and 20hydra since he could easily rip through my drones in seconds. If I chose to be cautious, I would've had to keep building hydras, and if he was smart and kept pumping out mutas while gaining map control I would've been horribly outmacroed and lost 1expo to 3expo)

Bah, that's not nearly as cool as when I shot the skyjacker off my buddy's Banshee. It occurs to me that I've not yet posted my Halo 3 handle here: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=Balerion Dread.
Props to anyone other than Niklas who gets the reference.

Also, I love the internet.

 

[LightFang]

Balerion, also known as "the Black Dread", was one of Aegon I's three dragons.

A fellow Song of Ice and Fire enthusiast, I see.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

Balerion, also known as "the Black Dread", was one of Aegon I's three dragons.

A fellow Song of Ice and Fire enthusiast, I see.

Indeed. The vast majority of people on Xbox Live probably miss the reference, but it's a good name.

 

[Ninja Dude]

Bah, that's not nearly as cool as when I shot the skyjacker off my buddy's Banshee. It occurs to me that I've not yet posted my Halo 3 handle here: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=Balerion Dread.
Props to anyone other than Niklas who gets the reference.

Also, I love the internet.

I think my record of having 3 killing frenzies in my rocket race career puts everything to shame. I was really close to getting a running riot once.

How many NESers have Halo 3? I know Symphony has it. A NES Halo match might be interesting.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

I think my record of having 3 killing frenzies in my rocket race career puts everything to shame. I was really close to getting a running riot once.

Rocket race is madness. Also blasphemy.

How many NESers have Halo 3? I know Symphony has it. A NES Halo match might be interesting.

I wouldn't be averse to playing some Big Team games, or even a Team Doubles if you think you're really good.

 

[Ninja Dude]

Rocket race is madness. Also blasphemy.


I wouldn't be averse to playing some Big Team games, or even a Team Doubles if you think you're really good.

I'm not too terribly good. And I don't play as much as I used to. I think I've reached my limit when it comes to skill.

And yes, rocket race is madness. Me and my friend nick (Claymore2106) just play it to kill people. Or in some cases we let a team get like 9 points and then stall them so another team can win. It's a good way to pass time.

And get hate mail.

 

[Dachs]

Indeed. The vast majority of people on Xbox Live probably miss the reference, but it's a good name.

NK wouldn't. He's into that fantasyish stuff.

 

[Azale]

Yeah. Actually, in that NES there never really was a rival to France in Europe even from the start. In retrospect, the setting wasn't all that fantastic.

Russia, Britain, and Spain were ample enemies. Panda just outmaneuvered and outsmarted you all.

Well, not so much you. You were onto France from near the beginning, you just never had the strength to overthrow the NWO

Funny note. Panda never had the intention of really conquering vast swathes of Europe, it's just players kept falling into his hands. The only war he really coordinated and planned ahead of time was Spain, and even that nation's collapse (and my early defection to him) came unexpected. Panda is just a master of capitalizing

I miss the guy to be honest

 

[Dachs]

Russia, Britain, and Spain were ample enemies. Panda just outmaneuvered and outsmarted you all.

"Britain" didn't exist until it was far too late to bring the HRE down. Spain was a ramshackle failure even at the beginning, and Dis' revolt made it worse. And Russia never really had the power projection to fight the French on even terms. France's utter lack of enemies close enough to do it harm from the very start of the NES made things a lot less interesting than they could have been. I mean, they started out with the (formerly Spanish) Netherlands and the Rhineland, and Dover to boot. It's already no contest.

Well, not so much you. You were onto France from near the beginning, you just never had the strength to overthrow the NWO

I wouldn't have cared about Panda's 'new world order' one way or the other if he hadn't broken our defensive alliance when I decided to teach the Turk a lesson. Hell, if he'd let me loose against the Ottomans I would've helped him drive a spike deep into the soft underbelly of Russia and the GGR, neither of whom really cared to maintain diplomatic relations with me until I decided I had no choice but to join them (which happened after France declared war on me).

Funny note. Panda never had the intention of really conquering vast swathes of Europe, it's just players kept falling into his hands. The only war he really coordinated and planned ahead of time was Spain, and even that nation's collapse (and my early defection to him) came unexpected. Panda is just a master of capitalizing

Yes, one might have guessed that from the fact that he let stalin have half of Germany to create the GGR and that he kept you around for whatever reason.

I miss the guy to be honest

He wasn't a bad player at all. Be nice to have a few of those older generation people back to spice things up. So many of the NES2 VI players don't play much anymore...

 

[North King]

NK wouldn't. He's into that fantasyish stuff.

But not Halo. Sorry.

"Britain" didn't exist until it was far too late to bring the HRE down. Spain was a ramshackle failure even at the beginning, and Dis' revolt made it worse. And Russia never really had the power projection to fight the French on even terms. France's utter lack of enemies close enough to do it harm from the very start of the NES made things a lot less interesting than they could have been. I mean, they started out with the (formerly Spanish) Netherlands and the Rhineland, and Dover to boot. It's already no contest.

Oh, please, now that's just bitterness. Russia certainly could have stopped him. As the nation in the way, I think I can say with some authority that they had a good chance of overrunning Europe.

 

[Dachs]

Russia certainly could have stopped him. As the nation in the way, I think I can say with some authority that they had a good chance of overrunning Europe.

The fact that there was a nation in the way - a fairly large nation, with lots of mud and general gunk in the way - sort of prevents the nation on the other side of the nation in the way from being sufficiently harmed. Russia doesn't have Prussia, Austria, and GB on her side this time after all (as opposed to 1812-4).

Then again, given how das likes to ignore logistical impossibilities, you could be right. (I didn't get "bitter" until that last sentence FYI. )

 

[Symphony D.]

In retrospect, the setting wasn't all that fantastic.

Funny, I managed just fine with a four-turn late start.

Rocket race is madness. Also blasphemy.

YOU WILL BE SILENCED, HERETIC!

The only war he really coordinated and planned ahead of time was Spain, and even that nation's collapse (and my early defection to him) came unexpected. Panda is just a master of capitalizing

You mean the war that I ran the majority of because Panda was away? Why yes, it was quite well planned in his absence.

Yes, one might have guessed that from the fact that he let stalin have half of Germany to create the GGR and that he kept you around for whatever reason.

It was a reasonable speed-bump. We knew he wasn't terribly trust-worthy and would possibly betray us, but were confident that he could be overrun. He was, and the territory was absorbed into France. It made the First World War a stalemate, but it didn't turn out to be a bad choice in the long-run.

 

[Oruc]

He wasn't a bad player at all. Be nice to have a few of those older generation people back to spice things up. So many of the NES2 VI players don't play much anymore...

yeah Bignasty1 and anarchyrulz are missed

was I even in NES2 VI?

 

[Dachs]

was I even in NES2 VI?

You united the British Isles as England early in the first IT, and stayed a loyal ally to Panda who let you do so and who even gave you back Dover. Mostly your job consisted of smashing the Holy Celtic Empire/Ireland/Swissempire. Which was much appreciated by everybody who had to deal with his random colonizing of southern Patagonia and his attempted invasion of Spanish Africa. Fortunately he's gotten significantly more sane since then. I think.

 

[Disenfrancised]

"Britain" didn't exist until it was far too late to bring the HRE down. Spain was a ramshackle failure even at the beginning, and Dis' revolt made it worse. And Russia never really had the power projection to fight the French on even terms. France's utter lack of enemies close enough to do it harm from the very start of the NES made things a lot less interesting than they could have been. I mean, they started out with the (formerly Spanish) Netherlands and the Rhineland, and Dover to boot. It's already no contest.

Britain can't beat France pre-1800 (due to disparity in population and wealth) if France has a way of securely landing troops. As long as France had Dover (which was a tad silly, just because its the opposite side of Calais doesn't make it a good place for a military base) and a navy 50% larger Britain was irrelevant. The Krakow Union was hamstrung by poor orders at the beginning, no navy and a few buffer countries and a huge scary Russia on the other side. Russia was too far and had to project its power through chokepoints to reach France plus was at a considerable economic disadvantage (with the low countries and the Rhineland France exceeded Russia in population in 1750 by a good margin and was hugely more wealthy). Only Spain could have conceivably taken on France and cut it down to size, but it needed a diplomatic finesse to do it that the player lacked and was afflicted with PC orchestrated revolts (Spains structural problems weren't that bad) and its small nation allies being run by fools and betrayers to boot. Spain failed in the first 4 turns, and from then on God was a Frenchman .

On an interesting note I contacted both Panda and the Spanish player on the second turn claiming to be liberal revolutionary movements and promising to undermine and revolt in the colonies of their foe. The Spanish turned me down, whilst Panda wrote a blank cheque (he might not have if he'd know I was going to engineer a financial meltdown...).

 

[North King]

The fact that there was a nation in the way - a fairly large nation, with lots of mud and general gunk in the way - sort of prevents the nation on the other side of the nation in the way from being sufficiently harmed. Russia doesn't have Prussia, Austria, and GB on her side this time after all (as opposed to 1812-4).

Thanks for the compliment. Sort of.

Then again, given how das likes to ignore logistical impossibilities, you could be right. (I didn't get "bitter" until that last sentence FYI. )

Oh good god, not this again.

 

[Symphony D.]

I believe we can all agree if a starting situation was going to be used from NES2 VI to do anything ever again, it would be 1790 on, both because it was the most balanced (and could be "rebalanced" if completely necessary), and because everybody would be aware of the mistakes and capabilities of the others if an earlier setting was used.

 

[flyingchicken]

unrelated: Does anyone here have as much fun as I do using an EU2 to Revolutions converter? Also, RiskNES VI is updated, so the four players (and bunch o' lurkers) can stop waiting now.

edit: Also, I felt that the world shrunk another notch for me after reading the very first comment of this article on a critique of a critique of RTSs. I feel so deprived not having found Soren Johnson's blag earlier, considering where I am.

 

[Dachs]

I don't play EU2, instead I play Total War games and their mods.

Also, browsing the Total War .org forums (aka the Guild) I found a concept very similar to basic NESing called 'Interactive History' (IH)...looks awfully familiar, with more primitive stats of course (generally just population, economy, military), and they even have the same problems with mid-turn battle resolution and tactical planning that we do/did. As I have been doing in World History, I might start attempting to show people there the True Way that we have here. Might liven up the forums anyway, 'cause the dog days of summer (or winter, for BananaLee ) are hitting us pretty hard.