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While We Wait: Part 6

I propose that we let this thread go to 2039 posts before we make WWW7.
 
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I want dibs on WWW Part 7!

Oh, the law of dibs says you must give it to me. Hah!
 
Erm.. No :p
 
Why would we start a new WWW? Is there a post limit in a single thread, or something?
 
Why would we start a new WWW? Is there a post limit in a single thread, or something?
Threads aren't supposed to go over 100 pages. Database issue apparently.
 
So when a NES gets that huge, we're supposed to start a "part 2" thread?
 
The problem is when they don't attempt to integrate into the culture. See: Several neighbourhoods in London.

Firstly, she's still a racist. Secondly, I don't think it has anything to do with them. When they began settling in Denmark for an instance (I don't remember the exact years) the Danes dissapproved of them, practiced racism, etc. which made them cluster in social groups like, frankly, I would have done myself. Now you might say that the European population is more tolerant than back then, but the problem is that now the clusters exist and when they move to Denmark they group with the ones they can relate with the best. The old generation of immigrants have already settled and practiced their national culture (religion in this particular example) to comfort themselves from the general racism in Denmark. The new ones simply pick that up because they also seek comfort and safety while the Danish state is trying to throw them out of our nation.
 
I'm personally still wondering who ever thought "Plaxico" was a good name. It sounds like nothing so much as some obscure minor competitor to DuPont or a manufacturer of knock-off Tupperware or something. It would fit right in with "RobCo" or "Abraxo" in Fallout 3 on some spoof product.
 
Plaxico is an awesome name. Weren't you one of the people I was insanely blithering stuff about his name to on the night of the last Super Bowl?

Also, Stephen Colbert made that joke last week. :p
 
Edit: Damn you das! Actually France in the 19th still grew (+50%), just not as fast as and Germany (+200%), and Russia (+300%), both much worse places to live.

Yes, yes, it did; but it still was slower than back when they had feudalism and all kinds of related abuses. In other words, raising living standards is a bit like (very drawn out) ethnic suicide. :p

As for the rest of it, I honestly have no idea about French religious demographics, not in the least because of the census thing. I still say that social welfare states can collapse this much more impressively and messily, but yes, naturally this isn't going to be all that easy to arrange no matter how much foreign lumpenproletariat you unwillingly and accidentally bring in.

It occurs to me that French Muslims actually work far better as a base for a general neocommunist "anti-racist" uprising or as an excuse for a fascist takeover, as far as the various Armageddon: France scenarios are concerned (sadly not too plausible). If it does end up being a plain old straightforward theocratic takeover thing then I am going to be very much disappointed in human history; it's usually much more interesting than that, with those who seem to be the primary and most immediate threat usually ending up as little else than a foundation and/or a cover for something greater.

Religious violence, Thlayli? That's hardly the same as being a "theocratic playground", and it is more or less a given by now regardless.

I have become rather incensed with the constant unfounded cries of Europes demographic demise,

Europe isn't doing too well by any measure, although the constant panic over it in both there and in Russia is certainly unfounded, if only because the decline rates are, well, declining, at least over here.

As a sidenote, I recall some modern Russian high school textbook (on Sociology or somesuch?) claiming that the Blacks might outnumber the Whites in America in half a century or less. Just a fun comparison for people to keep in mind when they extrapolate demographic trends and such. :p

The truthiness of what you see on your street is not something you can reliably extend to nation

Certainly. Creepily silent brigades of Central Asian workers with blunt work tools and other potential improvised weapons at or near obvious strategic locations can still be a bit scary, though. :p
 
You ditched us

Been shown to be false, you ditched us :p

Pretty much, I also think it likely Australia would have done the same even if Britain had packed up and left, perhaps with the Americans, perhaps on your own - Malaya was too important to fall to communist anti-colonialists.

The solution to that whole conundrum was shown later by the Indonesians when the PKI had a stab at revolution in 65'. The beautiful thing about it was you knew who was supporting the MNLA, ethnic Chinese dominated as it was, the simple and effective answer that was always open was just to murder every ethnic Chinese you could get your hands on. The MNLA's likelihood of success... next to nil. And let's face it the PKI was much stronger than the MNLA was ever going to be and it was still solved with a judicious use of violence.

I'm getting confused, Britain abandoned the commonwealth, yet is in trouble for stationing weapons in Singapore? And a hostile and interventionalist Indonesia would have been great for Australia?

Incorrect, your assertion that we ditched you is shown to be slightly faulty. If we ditched you why are we fighting in Borneo? Hostile and inverventionalist, well without you it never would have happened the whole "imperialist" creation of Malaya wouldn't have held water.

Reserve judgement on this, its easy to be supportive when your not expected to do anything.

Agreed, we were fighting in Malaya :p

Rhodesia and South Africa Interesting, so those regimes were all hunky-dory for you then?

Did we really care about them? No. Heck there were factions both in the Australian and New Zealand government [not to mention fairly open sympathizers, White Australia and the as yet un-named New Zealand version ring a bell] which were highly critical of the embargo, and favored reconciliation and slow reform. They were kept in line solely by virtue of what the Mother Country wanted.

Yeah keeping Suez in the Anglosphere would have been just terrible for Oz, and I really can't find much mention of what Australia did...

Hmmm well despite not being told about it.... we stood by you even when the rest of the world decided you were insane including the States. Sure you would have kept in the Anglosphere... would it have made a measurable difference? No.

Yeah because supporting the self-determination of distant island groups full of white settlers is hardly the precident you want to encourage is it?

Also supporting our Mother Country in a time of need, despite having severe reservations in New Zealand [I know], not sure about Australia.

Here's a fun one for you, Imperial Preference what happened there?

You're funny, ask Canada how being next door to and reliant on a huge trading block works out. Being within the EU allows Britain to influence policy, if we were on the outside we would face their collective barginning to our net cost.

I agree it's not perfect but do you really have bargaining power inside the Union? Call me a cynic but doesn't the Union collect VAT from you and pour it into Eastern Europe, and also well control your trade policy? Another question is does collective bargining really benefit you? Your still one of the worlds largest colony, with a network of nations in the developing world who still look up to you [your "white" colonies have moved on methinks ;)].

It will always be easier to trade with europe, especially if fuel costs rise, ditto eastern europe still has a long way to go.
Grouping with India might be nice, but then we'd be screwed every time they go through a protectionist phase or political instablity and it much easier to work with 20 or so nations of the same or smaller economic size rather than one huge one.
China is digging deep in africa, to compete there we'd need some sort of supra-national organisation with similar goals to us providing economic and demographic muscle...I wonder where we could get a thing like that?
The EU and the four freedoms are about more than just trade, there about making wealth in other ways too.

True it will be easier to trade with Europe, but a trade deal with the Union would have granted the same effect, perhaps not as well but then you can control your own trade policy. Honestly, your Britain, make us of the brand power :p. I'll grant it might well be easier to trade with 20 nations vs 1 [although with 20 regulatory schemes, tax schemes etc] you would be wonder about that.

Africa is going to be trouble, but the majority of functioning states in the darn place are your children and yours alone. None of the other colonial powers can claim they had such a success rate, and your still fairly popular with them to boot. You don't need to invest in the basket cases, you can invest in the functioning improving ones, heck you even have a competitive advantage because they stole your system of law etc.

These would be the four freedoms that Britain well... invented and exported to a large part of the world wouldn't they be?

Yeah have great natural resources whilst Asia booms is totally your own work . Europes slow growth economic growth is tied to its slow population growth - and frankly the HDI is pretty nice in Europe, as long as long term growth is somewhere above population increase I'm not to worried about not matching the growth rates of economies that are playing catch-up, and flirting with social and environmental collapse.
Natural resources are a short-medium turn thing, the big winners in the long term will be education, health, recreation, energy diversification and financial services. I wouldn't be so pessimistic, your growth will see you fall behind, more than a few of the big growth states are hitting institutional and infrastructure walls, but the winners are beginning to take off. My current backing for a state to do well provided its political environment improves is East Timor, oodles of resources, more cash than it can use without causing inflation, a largely foriegn educated government, with endemic corruption which is being stamped out, and a leader with some rather large... staring down Woodside and telling them to either build their refinery in Timor or not to bother is amusing for such a young country.


As a sidenote, I recall some modern Russian high school textbook (on Sociology or somesuch?) claiming that the Blacks might outnumber the Whites in America in half a century or less. Just a fun comparison for people to keep in mind when they extrapolate demographic trends and such.

And the Irish Papists in the early days of Australia and New Zealand, then the Chinese three or four times, then the non-Protestant Europeans, then the "slavic" Europeans, then the Vietnamese [Communists] and well.... et al. Sure its plausible that Australia is going to end up with a couple of theocrats in Parliament, more than likely we will end up with moderate Muslims we have lots of those. France might up with genuine theocrats, but does anyone here see them as ending up as nothing more than a politically sidelined laughing stock? Who in French politics would deal with them?
 
So now we have to wait for silver to post in this thread? Or, I suppose, we could go to 2039 replies...
 
YOU FAIL AT EXTRAPOLATION ******.
I didn't know one can extrapolate a ******.
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