Who declares at Pleased!?!

[Comrade-Deux]

I'm in a game right now where Sueliman was at a very high pleased (was friendly only a few turns earlier) and was my main trading partner to my east as I wiped Charly off the map at my west; and as I finish the job he DOW's me. He's worst enemies with Shaka (to his north) and is absolutly pissed with him (two previous wars before he DOW's me). Anyhow I'm just rather irked because I thought he would be a solid trade partner. Is there a source that I haven't found that will detail who will declare at pleased, who is a good trade partner, etc; as I don't have the games under my belt to 'feel' their habits.

Cheers, Deux.

 

[Comrade-Deux]

I reacted too quickly. Charly, who only has one city left, vassalized to him. My request remains but i did seem weird. My power rating is 2.1x higher than his and my main production city is right at the border with him. He is screwed; why are weak civs willing to take vassals that will put them at war with the big civs?

 

[dirtyparrot]

I believe the list (which I think that I ripped from MadScientist) is:
Asoka
Augustus
Boudica
Brennus
Charlemagne
Chuchill
Cyrus
Darius
DeGaulle
Frederick
Gandhi
Hammurabi
Hathshepsut
Joao
Justinian
Lincoln
Mehmed
Pericles
Ramesses
Saladin
Sitting Bull
Suleiman
Wang Kon
Washington

If they go in WHEOOH mode prior to becoming pleased, I believe that they can still attack you.

There's a PDF titled C4BtS_RefGuide(standard)_EN that I would download which has a whole bunch of very useful info incl the relative peace probabilities depending on the leader's disposition.

 

[Comrade-Deux]

Many thanks you dirtyparrot.

 

[Negator_UK]

I thought Cathy could declare at pleased, she can certainly be bribed to attack at friendly.

 

[Stoney the I]

Also it seems Willem is missing.

 

[nanomage]

i believe you all know that this list is leaders who do not declare at pleased.
some of them i have never seen declaring at all

 

[Kwibuss]

That list are the AI's that DO NOT declare at pleased, but as dirtyparrot mentioned can still DOW you at pleased if they went WHEOOHRN before becoming pleased with you.

 

[Stoney the I]

I wasnt paying attention heh.

The Op requested a list of leaders that declared at pleased and i took it on face value.

Is there a source that I haven't found that will detail who will declare at pleased

I will have more coffee and fix my numb mental state

 

[r_rolo1]

EVERYONE can declare war on you while pleased or even friendly with you. Not everyone will start planning to attack you while pleased or friendly with you, except for vassal complications.

 

[michmbk]

There's a guide on here somewhere called "BTS reference guide that has this information - very useful. I have a sheet of paper that I use as my crib notes version, and one column on it has the list of leaders who won't start planning to attack you at pleased. That's one of the more critical things to know as you move up in levels.

 

[mboettcher]

I was going to say that any list with Ghandi and Freddy on it but not MOnty is not a list of declaring at pleased

Side note: Is it not weird that Freddy is such a pacifist. Most of the other leaders reflect their historical dispositions and having the man that Napoleon considered the greatest general ever and who favored pre-emptive strikes as a die hard pacifist is a little odd.

 

[mboettcher]

The appearance of a few of the leaders on the list is mildly surprising but then I remembered that to even get the particular leaders to pleased involved similar religions otherwise they would likely attack you.

 

[ORION11380]

To answer your titled question, "Who declares at Pleased!?!"

I DO!

 

[Alsark]

I am almost certain I have had Cyrus declare war on me while pleased. Same with Boudica. Perhaps not, though.

 

[nanomage]

well, as it has already been pointed out, they can do it.
What they can not do is to make a war roll (go WHEOOHRN) against you while pleased.
If they were cautious while making a decision? and after it became pleased, then no problem, it'll be a backstab

 

[MarquisDeSade]

Please pardon my utter noobishness, but what does WHEOOHRN stand for?

 

[nanomage]

never mind
that's me who should beg pardon for my snobbism
it's "We Have Enough On Our Hands Right Now"
Usually AI's can be bribeb to sart a war at some attitude value. But sometimes when you hover your mouse over an diplomatic option to "Declare war on Foo", you see response "We Have Enough On Our Hands Right Now".
This means this AI either is allready in state of war, or have decided to start a war on his own.
It makes a decision by throwing a dice (surprisingly ). And after it's made nothing except another war can distract him from the decision to attack someone.
So basically if, say, Boudica is pleased with you, she can not start preparing for war with you (go WHEOOHRN).
If she is cautios, she can. Then she becomes WHEOOHRN and starts building units and amassing them against you. If, while she is doing so, her attitude changes to pleased, it doesn't matter - the war is already decided.

 

[dirtyparrot]

If she is cautios, she can. Then she becomes WHEOOHRN and starts building units and amassing them against you. If, while she is doing so, her attitude changes to pleased, it doesn't matter - the war is already decided.

Not entirely true. It's not a fait accompli that the AI will attack if they go in WHEOOHRN, they can always drop those plans. It's not a bad idea of beg for a nominal sum of gold.

 

[nanomage]

^ i tries this quite many times. they really delay their plans for 10 turns, but then still attack.
but i've really seen AI's dropping plans to attack for some reason, although i doubt it's because of forced peace treaty after tribute.