Who do you think will NOT be in NFP?

[cain3456]

Venice and Morocco. Shoshone is replaced by Cree so they shouldn't be in the poll.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Venice and Morocco. Shoshone is replaced by Cree so they shouldn't be in the poll.

I would argue the Cree replaced the Iroquois and the Shoshone still do not have a regional replacement.

Although if we wanted to draw really loose correlations, you could say that the Mapuche are a spiritual successor to the Shoshone lol.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Diyha's chances do seem substantially higher now that we don't have Theodora/Irene and Portugal really should get a Joao instead of Maria. That leaves one female slot open after Trung Trac. A NA civ would automatically demand that the other civ have a female leader as well.

Not unless we do get the Iroquois with Jigonhsasee as the leader.

I see them more likely to return well out of all the returning Native Americans at least.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Not unless we do get the Iroquois with Jigonhsasee as the leader.

I see them more likely to return well out of all the returning Native Americans at least.

At this point, sure, fork it. If we need a billion civs crowding the English Channel and the Bosporus Strait, surely we need another civ up in the Great Lakes region.

I am so bored by fan-driven game design lol.

 

[Aurelesk]

Even if I do understand the desire to play as Italy, which Italy are we talking about? Which leader?

Let's compare to Germany:

• Before unification, there is the Holy Roman Empire in which you could choose some King.
• After unification, there is the current Germany in which Bismarck was the prime actor.

What about Italy?

Between the fall of the Roman Empire and the begining of the Kingdom of Italy, the territory was neither unified nor free. It was under the domination of Ostrogoth, Byzantium, Franks, Holy Roman Empire, the Pope, the Arabian, Spain, Austria or France. Genoa and Venitia were powerful city-state, and also Milano, Florenza and many others, but no sign of unity.
Even the beginning of unification were chaotic, since a lot of italian rather want to go in USA, Brazil, Argentina or France than stay in the country, but at least Victor-Emmanuel II "unified" the country and took the Papal States. They tried to colonize to some extend, but failed (you can't steal the territory that France has already stolen!). Then go facist, and also failed. Then go Italian Republic which is doing okay so far.


I do not know well the history of Italy (please: be free to help me to know more), but from what I know:

• Italy was not unified most of History.
• When it was, it was at least "okayish" when it wasn't bad.

Italy is one of those country that has rich culture and history but cannot be depicted in the game fairly with a Leader. Are we going into some random Pope's Italy? That was never a thing and a poor depiction. Victor-Emmanuel II's Italy? The least bad of depiction so far. Mussolini's Italy? Wait no...
As said by Victor Hugo: "Italy, mother of geniuses and nations, who has spread over the world all the most dazzling wonders of poetry and the arts, Italy, who taught mankind to read, Italy today can't read!"

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Even if I do understand the desire to play as Italy, which Italy are we talking about? Which leader?

Let's compare to Germany:

• Before unification, there is the Holy Roman Empire in which you could choose some King.
• After unification, there is the current Germany in which Bismarck was the prime actor.

What about Italy?

Between the fall of the Roman Empire and the begining of the Kingdom of Italy, the territory was neither unified nor free. It was under the domination of Ostrogoth, Byzantium, Franks, Holy Roman Empire, the Pope, the Arabian, Spain, Austria or France. Genoa and Venitia were powerful city-state, and also Milano, Florenza and many others, but no sign of unity.
Even the beginning of unification were chaotic, since a lot of italian rather want to go in USA, Brazil, Argentina or France than stay in the country, but at least Victor-Emmanuel II "unified" the country and took the Papal States. They tried to colonize to some extend, but failed (you can't steal the territory that France has already stolen!). Then go facist, and also failed. Then go Italian Republic which is doing okay so far.


I do not know well the history of Italy (please: be free to help me to know more), but from what I know:

• Italy was not unified most of History.
• When it was, it was at least "okayish" when it wasn't bad.

Italy is one of those country that has rich culture and history but cannot be depicted in the game fairly with a Leader. Are we going into some random Pope's Italy? That was never a thing and a poor depiction. Victor-Emmanuel II's Italy? The least bad of depiction so far. Mussolini's Italy? Wait no...
As said by Victor Hugo: "Italy, mother of geniuses and nations, who has spread over the world all the most dazzling wonders of poetry and the arts, Italy, who taught mankind to read, Italy today can't read!"

Unification isn't a problem when we have the different Greek city-states, Mayan city-states, and Phoenician city-states as playable civs with the leader leading from there respective city-state.
Even if it is a unified Italy leader, like Victor Emmanuel II, all the other abilities could be Medieval/Renaissance related and I think could work cohesively.

 

[acluewithout]

I feel like Firaxis is holding Portugal and Babylon for another content push after NFP.

Because the DLC seem to be geographically constrained, and now Europe is covered.

I find it hard to believe we’re not getting Portugal in NFP, but you make a good point. The continuing unit gaps are also suggestive of more content (maybe).

It does feel like we might get more content after NFP. But I honestly just don’t have the energy for that sort of speculation.

 

[Pietato]

I feel like Firaxis is holding Portugal and Babylon for another content push after NFP. Venice is also out, as well as any kind of Italian civ.

I do NOT assume that Sumeria is a replacement for Babylon, as they coexisted in Civ IV.

For NFP6, I haven't decided if it's going to be Middle Eastern or Native American.

This. Firaxis are trolling us with Babylon and Portugal.

 

[Pitohui]

If we believe Ethioiagate is correct

what was Ethiopiagate?I saw some leaks but I believe they leaked Portugal/Byzantium for this content update,and I don’t remember seeing the Gauls.

 

[Pitohui]

Adding to that,I believe that this pack is the Europian Sector as much as Pack 1 was South/Middle America and Pack 2 was Eastern Africa.So I think no Portugal/Italy/Venice/Genoa/Papal States etc. in this NFP.

 

[bite]

Of all the options, I think a 'Italy' civ is the least likely .... however, the devs do read these forums and city state Italy has become the new Georgia so I would not count them out for the future

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

what was Ethiopiagate?I saw some leaks but I believe they leaked Portugal/Byzantium for this content update,and I don’t remember seeing the Gauls.

Vietnam and Kublai Khan were found in the game files when the Ethiopia DLC was released and then quickly removed.

 

[CivLuvah]

Of all the options, I think a 'Italy' civ is the least likely .... however, the devs do read these forums and city state Italy has become the new Georgia so I would not count them out for the future

From what I can remember since following this game since it was first announced, calls for an Italian civ and the Tamar meme went parallel with each other. It's just that the Tamar memers were louder than us Italy advocates.

 

[acluewithout]

Italy

I’d love to see Italy in the game. But I really don’t see what they would do within the existing game’s mechanics. Feels like a Civ that would make more sense if there was another expansion of some sort.

Indeed, I’m now sort of hoping we don’t get Portugal and a few other key Civs in NFP, precisely because maybe that would support the theory we might still get a third expansion or something similar...?

Not holding my breath either way. Just quietly hopeful. Well. Hopeful-ish.

 

[Jkchart]

If they do NFP 2 (which I would like to see, even if it is just civs and not game modes), I think the popularity of Italy will get it a place. Venice was likely a one-shot type of civ that has its fans but overall I think it’s out.

It’s possible they will leave out Portugal or Assyria/Babylon if they do a NFP 2. I also don’t believe Sumeria replaces Babylon since they’ve coexisted in two different games in the series. Give me BOTH Assyria and Babylon and make them unique ways to play Mesopotamia. I could see that happen because BOTH are incredibly popular, and people were super excited to see Assyria finally represented in the series (myself included).

Shoshone probably won’t return (like my beloved Hittites...) I could see Iroquois make a comeback though. They are fairly popular and have appeared twice in the series.

As I’ve agreed with you before on thus - I really hope for Bulgaria in the future. Berbers would be an excellent substitute for Morocco, though I wouldn’t mind Morocco returning either.

 

[AntSou]

North Africa is next

Did I miss something? When was this confirmed?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Did I miss something? When was this confirmed?

No. But since it seems that these packs are geographically constrained, we've covered Mesoamerica, Sub-saharan Africa, and now Europe. The next DLC has the codename MoorTires. Some were thinking it referenced Portugal, but I think we can put that to bed now that Europe has been done. The most likely for the Moor part of the codename is North Africa. What Tires references is unknown, but probably something to do with the game mode.

So I feel very confident we will see some permutation of Morocco/Numidia/Berbers in November.

 

[pokiehl]

I'd greatly prefer Oman or Morocco again rather than Berbers.

 

[AntSou]

@Eagle Pursuit

Do you feel there's enough content for a second pass?

Clearly there is in terms of Civs, but another year of modes and monthly updates? I don't know.

My hope is we get a few more individual DLC packs after NFP. Perhaps a patch every three months or so after March 2021.

I'd be happy with that. Anything above that would be really awesome though.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

@Eagle Pursuit

Do you feel there's enough content for a second pass?

Clearly there is in terms of Civs, but another year of modes and monthly updates? I don't know.

My hope is we get a few more individual DLC packs after NFP. Perhaps a patch every three months or so after March 2021.

I'd be happy with that. Anything above that would be really awesome though.

Without knowing the full extent of the modes and content that NFP covers, I can't really guess what a further, similar pack would entail. But at the very least they could include alternate buildings for existing districts, gap-fill units, and more personas.

But the likely absence of Portugal and maybe even Babylon from NFP is a tip of the hand by Firaxis that they have something in mind for future content.