Who is working on HOF attempts w/o threads?

[Mazarin]

france seems to be a great civ for milking -at least on emperor where you don't really need a great UU. I have submitted an emperor game with them, too and made insane amounts of money there: in the industrial age I could research every tech in 4 turns with 40-50% science and still had over 4k per turn to rush stuff. At the very end, I turned all my specialists to scientists and they were getting one modern age tech every five turns with luxuries at 100%

 

[DaveMcW]

Originally posted by Mazarin
At the very end, I turned all my specialists to scientists and they were getting one modern age tech every five turns with luxuries at 100%

I don't think commercial helps your science if you are researching at 0% . That's a lot of scientists!

 

[Cartouche Bee]

I've started another run on chieftain to work out some of the other early game possibilities. [Not using RCP or the palace placement quirks. ]

So, using an AW city layout (which can be used all the way to deity) I managed to get into the industrial age in 150 AD, starting research on electricity. Acquired steam and medicine from some scientific civs and now proceed to RP for faster workers. Only real problem I have with steam is that I don't have any coal hooked up but that will be resolved in a couple turns, just about the time I hook my 7th lux.

I think next I'll try this REX technique on emperor, a level where some GL's are likely to aid in rushing wonder's.

 

[wohmongarinf00l]

i might just try a Monarch game to make use of that RCP strategy. i have tried it on a couple different maps to get a feel for it and it's just abt the greatest thing to happen since mashed potatoes and ICS.

 

[Mazarin]

Originally posted by Cartouche Bee
So, using an AW city layout (which can be used all the way to deity) I managed to get into the industrial age in 150 AD, starting research on electricity.

what exactly is an "AW city layout"? Sorry for this question, the answer might be too obvious to recognize.

 

[Cartouche Bee]

Actually it's better known as 'tight build' but I use this layout for Always War games. Cities are spaced 3 tiles apart (2 tiles between) so that units can travel to the next city in one turn, on roads providing virtual troop movements to the front in ancient times.

I've tried this now on a few HOF games and I have achieved my best starts using this over ICS or OCP placements, best of both worlds and a strong layout when playing at deity and emperor.

 

[Bremp]

Hi all,

this is an update from my chieftain game:

By 10AD I had 128 cities and more than 20 settler roaming, and I was connecting my 6th luxury. I connected the 7th in 170AD and the 8th in 230AD. In 170AD I got my first leader. I was researching techs in 4 turns since 110BC when I got Metallurgy, but my science spending was not that high. In 300AD I completed the Forbidden Palace and finally in 330AD I rushed a new palace with my leader.
After that I was able to research everything in 4 turns without any problem, including several industrial age techs, but I was still a Monarchy. I was in doubt. I didn't know if I should research Democracy immediately or later, after Steam Power and/or Replaceable Parts. After some thoghts I noticed that railroads were more important, since my settlers were spending to much time to reach their positions. Another problem was the jungle, almost 1000 tiles that needed to be cleared. I got Replaceable Parts in 550AD and started researching Democracy. I was very lucky to get a 3 turns anarchy. I kept one scientist during this period and I researched Economics in one turn after that.
I played until 670AD. I have 670 workers now and I think they can finish their job before 1000AD. I expect to enter the modern times around 1100AD.

 

[Takeo]

670 workers? i think the most i have ever had in a game is 250-300.

 

[wohmongarinf00l]

does anyone else find it hard not to RCP? almost to the point where i wish i never RCP at all...

 

[wohmongarinf00l]

this is not gonna be a real high scorer but i am giving a small try to an ottoman deity game as part of getting used to PTW (which i just purchased recently). i consciously chose not to use RCP at all simply planting cities wherever i pleased. i also did not do any ICS because i knew i wasn't going to be involved in any ancient era wars, that i'd use the great library to jump into the industrial age at some point.


so...i built up a puny civilisation on the west coast bordering the english and the koreans in the ancient era. i hooked up some horses and began building horsemen as soon as i traded for horseback. i only staked a claim on some ivory and that was it.
in the early ADs i attacked 3 english cities and relieved them of wines, silks and iron and got one tech. after trading for feudalism i got some medieval infantry, and made ROP with england so's to be able to take the great library which they had built.
i kept on building infrastructure and horsemen and finally attacked the english when i started seeing industrial era wonders popping up.
to fund my horsemen-upgrade project, i got a whole bunch of gold loan from the germans. at the turn where i attacked the english, i allied myself with the koreans against the germans and got another huge bunch of gold loan from the koreans (approx. 4000 gold in total). this ensured that the koreans would be unlikely to attack me (they are the biggest civilisation and are getting bigger every turn).

i upgraded a whole bunch of horsemen to sipahi and triggered my golden age.
it's now in the 700ad's and i've wiped out the english. i am building temples/libraries/marketplaces/universities/banks/cathedrals everywhere. i never built cathedrals b4 but this is a builder game and i am in control of sistine's chapel so i might as well take advantage of it.

now i am readying myself to strike the koreans. it's going to be a dicey venture considering just how humongous they are and how incredibly armed they must be. i intend to build up a whole bunch of infantry and artilleries, declare war and let them come into my territory so i can mow them down. the necessary alliances will also help but it looks like that won't be a big problem since everyone is at war with someone else (except me of course).

 

[wohmongarinf00l]

and this is the powergraph

 

[wohmongarinf00l]

and this is the sav file just for good measure....

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ottoman720ad.sav

 

[wohmongarinf00l]

sometime between 1000ad and 1050ad a large korean fleet was sailing around my coast as they had done for centuries without paying any mind to my wishes. this time i asked them to leave or declare war and they gladly declared war. knowing how well armed they were, i merely dug in in my border cities and waited for waves of assault.
i made alliances against them with everyone else but the chinese.
so of course they made an alliance with the chinese against me.
i regret not buying the chinese alliance since they had lots of naval units in the area, instead counting on the scandinavian proclivity for naval units to solve the problem (i'd bombard them and the vikings could pick them off with their naval units).

we've been at war for quite sometime now. the chinese have landed some units at one time or another and i've picked them off.
the koreans have done that as well in addition to bombarding my coastline to hell. but i'm hanging in there and leaning hard on them on land. they are desperate to make peace but i'm unwilling to do that at this point. they have almost run out of offensive units so i'm beginning a slow offensive on their cities which i intend to increase as i rush a lot more artillery/infantry/sipahi.
the chinese are building the united nations and thats giving me a headache because somehow i have to reach their coast and raze beijing before they get too far into the modern age.


so i'm taking a war-weariness break (me, the human player not the civ..we have universal suffrage).

 

[superslug]

I don't know if I'll go all the way with it, but I've got a promising start on the Monarch level. I should have been further along with it, considering the 'free time' I've had lately.

 

[Bremp]

I finished my Chieftain game

Histographic victory in 2050AD with 9234 points.

Growth speed: 0.69
Land use: 3.597

I hit the max population around 1350AD and I finished the game researching Future Tech 56.

 

[superslug]

That's a new #1, Bremp. Congratulations!

 

[Darkness]

Nice Bremp! Congrats for getting the no 1 spot on chieftain!

 

[zerksees]

Superslug, I don't know if you are still interested in HOF attempts w/out threads. If you are, read on.

A few weeks back I started a monarch level attempt on the huge map against 7 AI. I found a pretty good starting position in a few tries, so I started it. I played the typical map settings (pangaea, warm, wet 5billion yrs), but I am playing the Persians. I don't have the advantage of the Siphai, but Immortal triggers a golden age at a good time for me (plus I like the Persians).

My objective for this game is a "test drive" of a real HOF attempt. It is unlikely I will challenge for a top spot, but I wanted to find out if I would enjoy this type of game, and maybe find a spot in the top 10.

I had problems early on because there were not enough luxuries. This severely hampered city growth and I had to use the luxury slider to get some cities to grow.

I did not manage my territory improvements well enough and it appears I built too many non-settler units early on - partly affected by the luxury issue. My settler flood was more like a small creek. I used 4.5 and 7 RCP around my capital. I built the Forbidden Palace near the capital (in the 7 ring). I secured a spot far away from my territory for the new capital (squeezed it between China cities and rush built improvements). I did get to build the Colossus and Sun Tzu.

I was very near the bottom of the list in score when I finally made contact with all the civs. I just kept building cities and workers. I built JS Bachs which helped some with the happiness. I traded with the AI and kept them all happy (except the weak Aztecs - I keep extorting money from them -heh heh).

Finally around 1000 AD I was on top of the scoreboard. Not long after I moved to the industrial age and got nationalism. I then hurried to build steam power. I then traded for military tradition and upgraded my knight and horsemen to Cavalry.

All this time no wars were started by anyone! I could not go on this way any longer as I had grabbed all the free land.

I then got MPPs with several of the AI and then in 1120 I declared war on Vikings. I hate those berserkers! They were a direct neighbor and had extorted money from me several times. They had no musketmen yet, and they were gone in about 12 or 13 turns. I got 9 elites from the war but no great leaders. I kept all the cities I took. The Iriquois got about 1/3 of their cities and Japan got 2 cities. I took the rest. I immediately went to work filling the gaps with cities.

It's now around 1340. I just completed replaceable parts and upgraded all my riflemen to infantry, immortals to guerilla (except elites), and cannon to artillery (shift U - I saved a lot of gold). The next turn I resigned some MPPs and I just started the campaign against the Iriquois (who don't have replaceable parts yet heh-heh). I had to wait anyway because I had a trade with them and I wanted it to finish before starting war.

My score is 2400+ and I am currently adding 29 per turn to the score. I have about 120 workers. If I can get a leader in this war and rush build the palace in the distant city the rest of them will fold up like paper bags. I already own almost 40% of the power bar.

Anway I'll keep you posted.

 

[superslug]

Originally posted by zerksees

Superslug, I don't know if you are still interested in HOF attempts w/out threads. If you are, read on.

Indeed I am. I opened this thread so that everyone could keep tabs on what's going on for HOF players who don't care to burden themselves with game specific threads.

Originally posted by zerksees

My objective for this game is a "test drive" of a real HOF attempt.

You never know if a game is going to be a real HOF attempt until you pass the score of the ten spot of whatever level you're on. That being the case, it's safe to say that all games are 'test drives'.

 

[wohmongarinf00l]

well...i haven't gone back to that deity game at all and instead i'm playing where i'm most comfortable: emperor. i went thru one "test drive" with the ottomans using sirpleb's strategy and wound up with 36k but i dont think i will submit it cos i messed up with the milking.


it's such recipe material there is little sense in doing it any other way.

1) huge pangea map with 8 opponents for settler flood.
2)at some point between 1000bc and 10ad...u must seed a world war (preferably 2) to tie up everyone else. it works everytime to slow down their growth to a crawl.
3)palace jump
4) mass upgrade of horsemen to sipahi.

in my test drive game i was limited a bit by the pyramids which i captured around 1000ad and moved my palace there. they were located in babylon and i made the mistake of leaving them as the captive civilisation at the end and couldnt risk it flipping back to them.

i am trying something different in my other games now. since it is easy to build the pyramids in ptw, i dedicate the second city i found to building them and i am getting them each time. i've never had this much fun with the luxury slider.