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Who was the biggest mass murderer in history?
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EdwardTking
Deity
I think we should only count victims who
are personally killed by the murderer.
In which case Dr Shipman probably holds the
record for Britain for most innocents snuffed.
are personally killed by the murderer.
In which case Dr Shipman probably holds the
record for Britain for most innocents snuffed.
Jesus' policies of "spread the good news" also killed people, only more. They really spread the good news during the crusades and during the inquisition and when they forced Christianity onto the natives of the Americas. I could go on... Those are just the good ones.
Procifica
ACW Scenario Creator
If you wish to quote Jesus as a mass-murderer, better add Mohammed (spelling?) onto the list as well. Islam at least in his time was a VERY VERY aggressive and warlike religion.
SKILORD
Insurgent
Lenin!
He not only killed his own, he put Stalin in place and set him loose on the world (how many times have we discussed this Bipole?) Anyway. I dislike Lenin, especially the hero revisionist Russian historians would have you beleive he was. Young, idealistic Lenin,
ruthlessly slaughtering White Russians and anyone else who stood in his way.
He not only killed his own, he put Stalin in place and set him loose on the world (how many times have we discussed this Bipole?) Anyway. I dislike Lenin, especially the hero revisionist Russian historians would have you beleive he was. Young, idealistic Lenin,
ruthlessly slaughtering White Russians and anyone else who stood in his way.
SKILORD
Insurgent
Lenin left Stalin in his place.
Who else did he feel could suceed him? He handpicked Stalin, appointed him party secretary, among other things. Claim, as you mujst that this was only an attempt to get him outta the way, but... party secretary? The party was not hijjacked my freind.
Interestingly enough (as I have said in the past) When asked which man was harsher Moltov recalled Lenin reprimanding Stalin for being too soft. Lenin died after giving Stalin instructions to begin purges, I will admit that he did not instruct anything like Stalin did, but he did ask for purges.
Lenin was not a saint. He was a coldblooded son of a b*tch. He left Stalin his sucessor, he was no hero, remember that his very entrance into his nation was betrayal of his motherland to Germany. Is this your hero? Idealism? bah! Fanatical murderer.
Karl Marx, if you want religious leaders, caused more deaths than anyone else.
Who else did he feel could suceed him? He handpicked Stalin, appointed him party secretary, among other things. Claim, as you mujst that this was only an attempt to get him outta the way, but... party secretary? The party was not hijjacked my freind.
Interestingly enough (as I have said in the past) When asked which man was harsher Moltov recalled Lenin reprimanding Stalin for being too soft. Lenin died after giving Stalin instructions to begin purges, I will admit that he did not instruct anything like Stalin did, but he did ask for purges.
Lenin was not a saint. He was a coldblooded son of a b*tch. He left Stalin his sucessor, he was no hero, remember that his very entrance into his nation was betrayal of his motherland to Germany. Is this your hero? Idealism? bah! Fanatical murderer.
Karl Marx, if you want religious leaders, caused more deaths than anyone else.
D' Artagnan
Mousquetaire du Roi
All right Neptune IV if I kill now 10,000 persons under your name who'd you be a mass murderer 
SKILORD
Insurgent
Trotsky?
Show me documentation of this 'Power struggle' or will I just take your word for it (As you have apparently done with someone else) I refuse to listen to you if you have no evidence other than that is what is popularly believed by revisionist Russian historians.
Yeah, Karl Marx is probably below some others, probably below a lot, he's still up there.
Jesus preached nonviolence, you may as well accuse Gahndi of all the deaths caused by the Indian independence movement. For his sake, blame the church leader who misinterpreted his teachings, not Jesus.
Show me documentation of this 'Power struggle' or will I just take your word for it (As you have apparently done with someone else) I refuse to listen to you if you have no evidence other than that is what is popularly believed by revisionist Russian historians.
Yeah, Karl Marx is probably below some others, probably below a lot, he's still up there.
Jesus preached nonviolence, you may as well accuse Gahndi of all the deaths caused by the Indian independence movement. For his sake, blame the church leader who misinterpreted his teachings, not Jesus.
Yes I would be a mass murderer if you killed for my cause, because the blood would be on my hands.
And as for the power struggle Stalin had Trotsky killed, with an ice pick in Mexico. Prove me otherwise SKILORD, if you do I'll accept it no problem and retract my remark about the power struggle.
Ghandi was not a mass murderer at all he is one of the greatest if not the greatest person that ever lived, he did more for people than Jesus ever could. Plus how many times do you know of people killing someone in the name of Ghandi? I know of none.
The only thing Jesus brought was genocide, religious intollerance, and the murder of millions of innocent people.
Now its 2:30 I'm tired and I dont know how coherent this post is, oh well.
And as for the power struggle Stalin had Trotsky killed, with an ice pick in Mexico. Prove me otherwise SKILORD, if you do I'll accept it no problem and retract my remark about the power struggle.
Ghandi was not a mass murderer at all he is one of the greatest if not the greatest person that ever lived, he did more for people than Jesus ever could. Plus how many times do you know of people killing someone in the name of Ghandi? I know of none.
The only thing Jesus brought was genocide, religious intollerance, and the murder of millions of innocent people.
Now its 2:30 I'm tired and I dont know how coherent this post is, oh well.
SKILORD
Insurgent
How was Tritsky in the running for the leader of the USSR after he had been banished?
The only thing Jesus brought was.... what?
Are you trolling? Are you sh*tting me?There is no way you honestly beleive that.
But here is where it stands:
First of all how do we define murderer? If we wish to blame the crusades on Jesus (shakey at best) we must define this as any perso n whose teachings lead to the premature termination of and individual's or groups kife (Lives).
So which is to blame, the idealists or their ideals? Certaintly Gahndi espoused the idea of In dian independence. Therefore he can be blamed for deaths caused by those who beleived likewise.
But he preached nonviolence.
So did Jesus.
Also under this Stalin must be discounted from the list and replaced with Karl Marx, who must take responsibility for all of the deaths he performed. We are therefore not responsible for any action of ours and should blame instead faulty motives.'
Thomas Jefferson and the founding fathers are to blame for every death in the name of democracy.
The only thing Jesus brought was.... what?
Are you trolling? Are you sh*tting me?There is no way you honestly beleive that.
But here is where it stands:
First of all how do we define murderer? If we wish to blame the crusades on Jesus (shakey at best) we must define this as any perso n whose teachings lead to the premature termination of and individual's or groups kife (Lives).
So which is to blame, the idealists or their ideals? Certaintly Gahndi espoused the idea of In dian independence. Therefore he can be blamed for deaths caused by those who beleived likewise.
But he preached nonviolence.
So did Jesus.
Also under this Stalin must be discounted from the list and replaced with Karl Marx, who must take responsibility for all of the deaths he performed. We are therefore not responsible for any action of ours and should blame instead faulty motives.'
Thomas Jefferson and the founding fathers are to blame for every death in the name of democracy.
I've read that after Lenin's death, there's a power struggle betw Stalin and Trotsky. Obviously, Trotsky lost and was kicked out of the country. Stalin was apparently more adept at making backroom deals with the other CCCP powerholders (though later he would get rid of the rest of them too).
Also, Trotsky didn't make real use of his command over the Red Army in the political game IIRC.
Stalin later had him deposed of permanently.
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