I guess there is no perfect term then. I don't always agree with either side. And it's right up there with there isn't just good and evil. There is a lot of gray out there too. And has been pointed out, Neither party is firmly planted on the moral high ground.
Why Can't The Left Win?
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Cloud_Strife
Deity
That may be the case but the fact is that we have two options; Democrats or Republicans and the latter are frankly worse.
Maybe when the GOP stops being a party of intolerance I might soften my approach but I shouldn't have to mention that they are opposed to my very existence and happiness as well as actively working against my interests.
Maybe when the GOP stops being a party of intolerance I might soften my approach but I shouldn't have to mention that they are opposed to my very existence and happiness as well as actively working against my interests.
Yes, I came to that realization. But that doesn't mean I'm always going to agree with the Democrats.
And Mary, I've always leaned left on human rights issues.
But you do know you don't vote on each individual issue as a separate thing, right? Your vote buys you a package deal. If you're considering that Republican package, that means you're okay with what they're trying to do, and you don't consider the worst parts of it to be something that automatically disqualifies them, so you're willing to live with it (mostly because it's someone other than yourself who will be marginalized)
If you sit out, or don't vote Democrat (the only real viable option), that means in my mind that you don't find the worst parts of that Republican package to be so objectionable you need to fight them at all costs, and are willing to let those things happen.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
The Gops record on LGBTQ rights alone show them to be a deeply evil and ghoulish party that have no qualms I condemning people to a life of suffering through sheer indifference at best and at worst active malice and desire to see others suffer.
Reagan, who continues to be lionized by conservatives, was a monstrous human being and if hell does exist I pray that he is in it, he condemned others to a much worse fate.
Reagan, who continues to be lionized by conservatives, was a monstrous human being and if hell does exist I pray that he is in it, he condemned others to a much worse fate.
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It's a good question, few people who push equality of opportunity or outcome actually make policies that result in them. If any do.
Note that it is possible to block literally all immigrants and still set policies for equal opportunity for people living in the country. It's not a good idea, but it's still consistent. A country doesn't provide law for literally everybody, it applies its laws at its level of control.
I'm not sure it's possible to legally control equal outcomes or equal opportunity. People have different talents, different experiences/encounters that give opportunity, different genetics, and different starting situations. If one person takes advantage of these in 1st generation, 2nd generation kids have a better (IE unequal) starting position. Is it more equal opportunity to reset it constantly, or to live out the advantages conferred by some combination of earlier luck/skill? How much do we want to punish people who used opportunity more effectively and/or got luckier?
It's not fair to randomly (to the best we can measure) have people do better, but it's also not fair to randomly take stuff from people. The world isn't fair. So what are the goals, what do we want to see happen precisely?
It *IS* troubling. Fox is a proven liar as a network, like other mainstream media in the US and likely elsewhere. Though the person listening is too.
Their choice of which human rights to suppress doesn't directly effect their supporters as much as the Democratic party's choice of which human rights to suppress.
bernie14
Filter Manipulator
Historical perspective? Ha! The BEST case scenario in the history of the unfettered left is totalitarianism
I have already stated that I would vote for any democrat at this point. Even Daffy Duck. Yes, it has gotten that bad.
Then why are you talking about moderates and independents? You're not making any sense, to me you seem to just be wanting to throw people off by arguing pointless semantics just to cause mischief.
aelf
Ashen One
Yeah, but when you turn up the heat, the 'moderates' get pissy because you didn't debate issues respectfully.
That's why I've been saying screw the moderates. They just think they will eventually win right-wingers over by talking. If they're even honest about that and aren't actually concern trolls.
Lexicus
Deity
Yeah, I mean, I too regularly refer to things like women voting and the 8-hour workday as totalitarianism
Here in some areas it's important for participating in your primaries for your party.
In Illinois state house races I usually vote republican because the dems are bankrupting the state. I doubt the reps will do much better but the opposition needs a voice.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
So you continue to vote for a party that you know are anti LGBTQ.
Lexicus
Deity
Just on a hunch I googled "Illinois Republicans racism" and found this as the first result:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/poli...0190721-ffwvxkiiyzhyxg72mdjjqkcgmu-story.html
but yeah the dems are bankrupting the state so you better keep voting for these people
(for reference state GOPs tend to be a lot more overtly racist than the national GOP, even with Trump up there. Which is saying a lot)
